03-26-2007, 04:23 PM
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Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Feliz Nobby Job
Join Date: Aug 2004
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
Posts: 10,331
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Ok, since plans to throw long tubes on the car fell through due to a 4 week lead time on delivery...I applied that money to some other supporting mods.
So, now, I am back to headers.
There are really 2 choices I am looking at. Shorties are out....Mid (Optimum Length as Bassani Calls them) or Long.
Price wise, the answer is simple...Bassani...however, if anyone things I will gain enough benefit from long tubes vs mids to warrant an addition $800-$1400 expenditure, I am listening. Price doesn't really make the decision unless the gain isn't worth the extra money and loss of ground clearance.
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Bassani Mid (Optimum) Length: does not require any other exhaust modifications...ie, I can keep my x pipe and cat back in place....$644
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# Optimum-length
# Mandrel bent 14 GA. carbon steel primary tubes for durability
# Exclusive “Extractor Collector” induces a scavenging effect and further improves performance.
# S.S. Comp™ Stainless Header Gaskets cures header leaks for good.
# Gasketless ball and socket connectors.
# Ceramic coating offers long-term protection, resists discoloration, lowers under hood temperatures, and increases thermal efficiency.
# Slight modifications may be necessary.
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Or Long tubes ...
Kooks Long Tubes: requires buying a shortened X pipe with it...can be bought with a 3"-2.5" reducer to keep the stinger cat back. 1,149.00 w/ o/r x
Stainless Works Long Tubes: requires buying a shortened X pipe with it...Also requires a new 3" cat back or fabbing up a 3-2.5 reducer yourself. $880 for the headers + $1211 for exhaust = $2091 total. |
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03-26-2007, 04:25 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Feliz Nobby Job
Join Date: Aug 2004
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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Also, K-Member issues are not a problem...I already have a tubular K-member sitting in my bedroom awaiting header install anyhow. |
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03-26-2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Sometimes I feel Like a Nut!
Join Date: Jul 2003
State: Connecticut
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I voted middies im sure they'll do what you need them for
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03-27-2007, 03:49 AM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
State: South Carolina
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I say mid-lengths too but Bassini is not my favorite brand of exhaust. |
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03-27-2007, 09:06 AM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Feliz Nobby Job
Join Date: Aug 2004
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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Yeah, but you also like the GT500 so...  |
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03-27-2007, 09:20 AM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Mad Scientist
Join Date: Jun 2006
City: The wilds of Canada
State: Canada
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The mids would be a good benefit just because they'll let you avoid a bunch extra hassle (sometimes that's worth more than anything), but with LTs you'd be set for anything you want to throw at the car in the future.
Hmmmm..... as muuch as I'd like to say just go with the LTs and be done with it, I think it makes more sense in this case to go with the Bassanis and put the saved cash into another mod. Vote for Bassani Mids
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03-27-2007, 10:50 AM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
City: Atlanta
State: Georgia
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I'm not voting but I'm VERY interested in this thread. My next mod is headers and x-pipes but have been very hesitant. I'm REALLY worried about my ground clearance due to my car being lowered. I'm trying to justify the benefits of a little more gain with LT than ML headers vs. taking a chance at leaving my whole exhaust system on top of a speed bump after I try to cross it. I already scrape the hell out of every one of them.
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03-27-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
City: Allentown
State: Pennsylvania
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^ in your case, i dont think u have a choice but to go with ml bcuz the lt will prolly scrap on a stock height stang. and since you already scrap, u will be replacing parts b4 u know it.
But, since i just made my appt. to install my bbk lt's and x-pipe, i vote for lt's. like silent said, if your are planning on adding anything in the future, u wont have to worry about them. plus they will be a little better performance wise that the ml's, from what ive heard anyways.
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03-27-2007, 11:40 AM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Young Stunta
Join Date: Mar 2006
State: Georgia
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I can tell a huge difference with my long tubes..... but theyre still leaking and its driving me insane haha. |
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03-27-2007, 12:35 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
City: Allentown
State: Pennsylvania
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throw some lock-tight on the bolts. lol
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03-27-2007, 02:31 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
State: South Carolina
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Exactly, GT500's are running faster times with just a pulley, CAI, and tune than Terminators with the same mods + exhaust and ported blower.  |
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03-27-2007, 02:37 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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03-27-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Young Stunta
Join Date: Mar 2006
State: Georgia
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I talked to some guy at the muffler shop I use that has supposedly worked at heads and headers and every other place in the world. He gave me a lecture about how people think headers are just a simple thing and think they they can just slap them on and they work perfectly without any leaks. He said that he doesnt use gaskets on his headers, that he takes the lip off the headers, grinds them down and then bolts them down. Anyone ever hear anything like that? Ive heard alot of people say he knows what he's doing but Im still unsure. |
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03-27-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Feliz Nobby Job
Join Date: Aug 2004
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
Posts: 10,331
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Well, I think we just figured out why you have leaks.
Unless both surfaces are guaranteed 100% smooth...or at least 100% matching contour, you won't get a seal metal to metal. Hell, the bassanis use 2 gaskets...the stock and their own in order to make the seal perfect. |
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03-27-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Young Stunta
Join Date: Mar 2006
State: Georgia
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I have copper gaskets on it. I havent let that guy at the muffler shop touch my car. Im wondering if he's full of ...... yeah
I hear so many things to do so it wont leak..... this other guy said to soak the copper gaskets in water overnight before putting them on. What the hec does that do? |
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03-27-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Feliz Nobby Job
Join Date: Aug 2004
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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Gets them wet? Other than that, not sure...must be some trick you learn over the years.
What kind of headers are they again? They might just need a stock gasket against the block and then the gasket that came with the headers against the header flange like the bassani's do. That seems to be the only way to guarantee the bassani's don't leak...maybe yours need a similar treatment. |
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03-27-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Young Stunta
Join Date: Mar 2006
State: Georgia
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Mac ceramic coated. I think im goin to go to mechanic school so I can work on my own Sh*t haha |
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03-27-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Baby please, I ain't from Havanna.
Join Date: Aug 2006
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State: California
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What's the knock on shorty headers, why are they out of the question? I was thinking about adding them.
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03-27-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: Mid Lengths or Long Tubes
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Resident A$$hole
Join Date: Apr 2006
City: Columbus
State: Mississippi
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MAC, that answers everything. Instead of having a one piece flange on the head side of the header--like a quality header would-- you have 4 separate connections to the head making it 4 times more likely to bend and leak. We have MAC longtube on the notch and are being replaced ASAP with some BBK 1 5/8th unequal length shorties and an offroad x. The only reason headers are so hard to work on with the Modulars is because there isn't shit for room in between the fenderwell and the head and also less room to finangle the header in and out of position to bolt in. I would use one or two paper gaskets(what usually comes with the headers when you order them), I have never had problems with those. No gaskets at all is like running a wheel with no tires. Just not going to work.
Nothing wrong with shorties, you just get a smidgen more power out of the long tube due to better scavenging and improved exhaust gas flow. I opt for shorties because I don't ever want to have to disconnect/reconnect the headers when I have to pull the tranny to change a clutch(which I know I will have to do in the future).
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