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07-25-2007, 06:12 PM
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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Bob is Good.
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But what does it matter how fast the car is if it has a shitty driver?
A good driver + a shitty car = a shitty time.
A shitty driver + a good car = a shitty time.
Only when the planets are aligned, can you achieve overall goodness. And that, my friends, is why racing from a roll should only be done in the movies or small Afghan communities. |
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07-25-2007, 06:16 PM
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#107
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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I just lubricated on your foot!
Join Date: Feb 2007
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^ not to mention the fact a car is only as fast as the amount of money you have to put into it...all you get out of knowing who has the "faster" car is who has deeper pockets...
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07-25-2007, 06:27 PM
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#108
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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Resident A$$hole
Join Date: Apr 2006
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So I do, no big deal. So you want to roll race... Fine
So you also say that you think I can beat you in the 1/4.
Wait, now you are quoting 1/4 mile times that you say that I think about too much. Looks like you responded in attempt to say that your car IS faster in the 1/4, I'm confused. Which is it?
If you didn't give a shit about ET, then why did you post one up? And I think you mean simpler, not simlar 
Wait, now you are saying that I can beat you again??? I'm so dam lost.
Ok. I think I am finally starting to understand what you are saying...... You can give two shits about what your ET. You want your car to trap higher, meaning it's "faster" than mine. That's fine and all, but all you are really saying is, you want to throw money at your car, make it "faster" and not ever worry about hooking, learning to drive the dam thing, or put money into weak parts (replace the IRS or atleast put into some beefier halfshafts) so that you CAN actually use the car to it's potential..... But now I atleast have you pinned as to what kind of "racer" you are. You are a Mark IV Supra owner in Mustang's clothing. My point:
1. You said you aren't worred about ET
2. You want your car to trap higher.
3. You apparently prefer roll racing over dig racing so you can prove who's car is "faster" instead of the combination of man and machine working together
4. You are afraid to lauch your car from a dig for fear of breaking something.
5. You think that even though someone else beat you to the finish line, it doesn't mean that their car is faster than yours.
6. You aren't worried about who is quicker(i.e. first to the finish), you are worried about who's car is faster.
It seems to be my opinion and others that consider the 1/4 a true test of a cars potential in acceleration. And in reality even though you said that my car cannot out accelerate you, would it not be true that I out accelerated you if I have a faster ET than yours since I made it over a measured distance faster than you? Either way, I know we are all to each his/her own, but when you sit there at your computer and tell me that you prefer roll racing over dig racing(which is pretty much what you told me over several posts) then, sir, we are on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum. This is my motto that a friend of mine put into words for me:
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07-25-2007, 06:33 PM
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#109
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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Resident A$$hole
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A few things... I never said what my car would run in the 1/4, although in the 1/8th I have run 8.30's while spinning my ass off to a 2.05 60' since the track is literally an old road. However, with other cars and like hp I would guesstimate that the car would run 12.50- 12.70's. Of course these are ON MOTOR times.... I guess you are forgetting the fact that I am spraying as well. (well not now, waiting for a new mallory hyfire box, the other one fried, but that is another story). I have yet to run the track on spray but I think it is MORE than safe to say that a car with 400+ whp that weighs about 2900 lbs., in case you forgot that notches are light, would EASILY trap 11's at more than 115 mph....... That's all assuming the conditions are like from my last runs....
For the record I have yet to run the 1/4, on spray, so those times are GUESSTIMATES. I do not know for sure what it would run, but can't wait to find out.
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07-25-2007, 06:34 PM
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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07-25-2007, 09:57 PM
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too broke to race
Join Date: May 2007
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this is not allways true. I know a lot of people who just trow money st their car but don't know where to put it and still run crap. and the other spector of it is that it donesn't take a lot of money to go fast, more hard work and knowing where to put the money you have. I.E. My '91 S10 race truck that I build when I was 16 had all junk yard parts, and ran consist 10.90s all day long. 
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07-26-2007, 02:14 AM
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#112
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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First of all I not shitty driver. I'm just saying that I have not run a car at a track so I don't know how I would do.
Wrong. I can make power/speed a whole lot cheaper than you or most cars can. Thats one reason Terminators are so popular among the Mustang crowd.
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So I do, no big deal. So you want to roll race... Fine
So you also say that you think I can beat you in the 1/4.
Wait, now you are quoting 1/4 mile times that you say that I think about too much. Looks like you responded in attempt to say that your car IS faster in the 1/4, I'm confused. Which is it?
If you didn't give a shit about ET, then why did you post one up? And I think you mean simpler, not simlar
Wait, now you are saying that I can beat you again??? I'm so dam lost.
Ok. I think I am finally starting to understand what you are saying...... You can give two shits about what your ET. You want your car to trap higher, meaning it's "faster" than mine. That's fine and all, but all you are really saying is, you want to throw money at your car, make it "faster" and not ever worry about hooking, learning to drive the dam thing, or put money into weak parts (replace the IRS or atleast put into some beefier halfshafts) so that you CAN actually use the car to it's potential..... But now I atleast have you pinned as to what kind of "racer" you are. You are a Mark IV Supra owner in Mustang's clothing. My point:
1. You said you aren't worred about ET
2. You want your car to trap higher.
3. You apparently prefer roll racing over dig racing so you can prove who's car is "faster" instead of the combination of man and machine working together
4. You are afraid to lauch your car from a dig for fear of breaking something.
5. You think that even though someone else beat you to the finish line, it doesn't mean that their car is faster than yours.
6. You aren't worried about who is quicker(i.e. first to the finish), you are worried about who's car is faster.
It seems to be my opinion and others that consider the 1/4 a true test of a cars potential in acceleration. And in reality even though you said that my car cannot out accelerate you, would it not be true that I out accelerated you if I have a faster ET than yours since I made it over a measured distance faster than you? Either way, I know we are all to each his/her own, but when you sit there at your computer and tell me that you prefer roll racing over dig racing(which is pretty much what you told me over several posts) then, sir, we are on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum. This is my motto that a friend of mine put into words for me:
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I'm not commenting on every here, to much stuff. You oviously like to build a car to take to the track and run the most efficient time you can with what you have. I on the other hand I like having a bad ass street car. If I cared about my E.T., I wouldn't be buying heavy 18" wheels and MM coilovers with the stiffiest street settings they make, etc. What I'm trying to build is a good handling streetcar that has good power on the street, and looks good, thats what I like. That is what I'm saying about me not giving a shit about an E.T. I would rather my car be faster on a road course than at a drag strip, but I would like both. This argument started several weeks ago with me saying that my car has enough power to accellerate through the air faster than yours or whoever else I was aguing with. Then you start trying to turn it into I'm talking about a 1/4 or something when I wasn't. I think you mentioned to me before that you were spraying and I forgot. I was under the impression that you were N/A. Yes if you are spraying then you have a very good chance of being able to outpull me. I think it would be a good race. BTW if I'm a Mark IV Supra owner in Mustang's clothing then your a Gen IV Camaro with a 9" rearend owner in Mustangs clothing. |
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07-26-2007, 10:58 AM
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#113
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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too broke to race
Join Date: May 2007
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well thats just it you both have a power added thats why its even. I wouldn't be too proud saying that my car with a power added can beat an n/a car. if it can't it's one bad ass n/a car or you have a real problem. I think the 1/4 mile track is the best all around spot light of the driver and the car. and yes if you never been on the track it doesn't make you a bad driver. just untrained in that sport. just like if you've never been on a road course.
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07-26-2007, 11:07 AM
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I just lubricated on your foot!
Join Date: Feb 2007
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if you like working on stiffening up the suspension and building a "super-street car" in which ET's don't matter and you don't want to break axles, you should try auto-x if you haven't already...I myself am not a big drag racer, i prefer the twisties myself...i just drag race for fun, i don't pretend to be particularly good at it...
oh, any by the way, you should be able to make power cheaper than me because i have a much newer car in which parts are still in development for...and if you take into account the fact that your car cost 10K more than mine brand new, you arent "faster for cheaper"...and besides, your car still cost as much as mine now even as the termy's are 5 years old...
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07-26-2007, 02:32 PM
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Re: Ford To Build 600 HP And 725 HP GT500's
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I've just got to get the parts on my car as they've been sitting in boxes on my floor for a couple of months.
My car is only 2 years older than yours. There are plenty of parts for the 05+ Mustangs, its just that my car came with F/I from the factory so its build wih much stronger parts. Also little boltons net a much bigger gain on my car than they do on a N/A Mod motor. Plus adding a aftermarket blower is much cheaper for me than you. And if somebody wants to say that comparing a car with F/I to one thats N/A is unfair, well that not my fault, I did not design the cars. The LS crowd normal doesn't have to make that excuse.
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07-26-2007, 05:36 PM
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07-26-2007, 05:39 PM
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You do realize that you are not including the price OF THE CAR......  Start of with a 23,000 dollar car and of course it is usually going to be faster than a car valued at a tenth of it's value(of the same type and/or class)... Trust me, for the mods AND the price of the car(the way bang for the buck is supposed to be measured) you will lose in EVERY aspect when comparing a fox to an 03 cobra. That's like me saying, "Sure I spent 68,000 bucks on a GT500, but with just a 8,000 dollar(give or take) blower swap and a tune for race gas, I can gain over 300 hp."
I've got about 9,000 in mine INCLUDING the car.... What about you? And I only are arguing this point because you decided to say that a termy is a better bang for the buck......
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07-27-2007, 02:16 AM
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Well thank you for helping me make my point, but I wasn't comparing a 03 Cobra to Foxbody, I was saying that its not always who has the most money that has the faster car. 03/04 Cobra = just a newer, nicer all around in every way, more desirable car than a Foxbody, so of course its going to cost more. A powerful Foxbody will never touch a powerful Terminator in terms of streetability, unless of course you swap in the Terminators motor. for $34,000 you got a brand new, underrated 390 hp car with a built motor, supercharger, 6-speed tranny, IRS, plus many other little parts that you need to add into the equation like nice seat, steering wheel, aluminum driveshaft, strong clutch, etc. I think they were a pretty good deal, and I payed $27,500 for my car with 13,700 miles. Now if we were just going part for part a 03/04 Cobra will kill a Foxbody in terms of HP per dollar. A SRT4 would kill a Foxbody in that aspect too, atleast up to a point. 
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07-27-2007, 07:32 AM
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