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06-19-2007, 03:46 PM
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cams or nitrous?
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what would u do, i have enough $$$ left over for either. So far i just bought long tubes,off road x-pipe,cai,75mm tb,and plenum, i think cams would work good with my setup but if anyone has any input please share thanx |
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06-19-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: May 2006
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State: Tennessee
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nitrous for big power quick. Cams you will need a tune no matter what.
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1996 mustang gt laser red: 01 shortblock patroit heads bolt ons and soon to be cammed.
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06-19-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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yeah i was gonna get a tune after it was all said and done |
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06-19-2007, 04:07 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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If you want cams i just so happen to have a buddy with a set of comp cams 278's with springs and retainers for $600
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1996 mustang gt laser red: 01 shortblock patroit heads bolt ons and soon to be cammed.
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06-19-2007, 04:37 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Resident A$$hole
Join Date: Apr 2006
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State: Mississippi
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No point in just getting cams IMO(/\not trying to botch your sale), because you would be getting cams that would help IF you had more flow through the heads. I say after you purchase said cams(see I had a plan /\  ), go and get your heads worked on and/or get a set of reworked heads to take full advantage of the cams.
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06-19-2007, 10:23 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Sometimes I feel Like a Nut!
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06-20-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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so u dont think cams would be worthwhile since i only have long tubes and a 75mm tb, i only have a little over 1 grand left to spend so i dont want to make the wrong choice. thnx for the input so far by the way |
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06-20-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Resident A$$hole
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If you only have a grand to spend, get juice er.... nitrous. There is no way 400 bucks would make the heads worthwhile enough for the cams. Besides, it's much better to setup your cam for the mods you have than to set the mods up for your cam  .
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06-21-2007, 07:02 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: Apr 2007
City: bentonville
State: Arkansas
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+1, you will need to get different cams to get full potential out of the power adders. n/a cams will make power but nothing like a set of correct cams will.
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06-22-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Stangless
Join Date: Jul 2006
City: Flat Top Mtn
State: Tennessee
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Add one more in for the spray  |
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06-24-2007, 03:05 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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appreciate it, probaly will go nitrous.I also read a good article in a muscle mustang mag recently about installing a zex on a 96 4.6, helped me make up my mind |
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06-24-2007, 09:47 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Stangless
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Yeah i have yet to read it but plan on reading it as soon as I can get thru the rest of my "stang porn". |
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06-25-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Advocate of The Hyphy Movment
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spray! !!! cams should be last! depending on what you'll have in the future, a good cam will gve you some good hp #'s. but again thats after you do more mods to the motor.
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06-29-2007, 04:04 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: Mar 2007
City: Calgary, Alberta
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Cams are a big help on these cars, especially above 3000 RPM. One thing about cams, you will always have the power, and you will never risk blowing the motor like you will with nitrous.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure the biggest you can go on a PI headed car without risking a piston to valve clearance issue on the stock short block is the Comp XE262AH. That's a great cam choice though, and one that I run in my 02 with no issues.
As far as head porting is concerned, if you are on a budget, just get out your die grinder and clean them up. The factory heads are actually pretty good, which is one of the reasons why there are no aftermarket castings available yet!
-Matthew |
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06-29-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: Apr 2007
City: bentonville
State: Arkansas
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nitrous doesnt blow motors!!! it is people that dont know anything about nitrous that blows motors! installation, and tune is the 2 biggest things that will make or break a set up. just got to know the limits of the tune, motor, and bottom end.
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06-29-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Sometimes I feel Like a Nut!
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yeah no. obviously if you cheap out on a full nitrous kit your gonna have horrible results but if you get everything you need its as safe as a supercharger.
Get with the times
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06-29-2007, 05:04 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: Mar 2007
City: Calgary, Alberta
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You nitrous guys talk big, but wait until your nitrous solenoid sticks open at the top of a run, or your fuel solenoid sticks closed, or you have a weak moment and shift it into overdrive with the juice on to show some corvette what's what on the highway. Then you are in no second chance territory.
If you only run nitrous at the track, and you religiously check everything over each time you go, and you have all the safety equipment, you can make a lot of runs before you use the motor up, but I have seen way too many street cars blown up with nitrous because its exceedingly easy to do something stupid out on the street, and there are no second chances.
As far as being as safe as a supercharger, nothing could be further from the truth. The typical system failure for a supercharger is a broken belt, and this will not blow up your engine. The typical system failure with nitrous is a stuck solenoid, and then its game over.
I stand by my position that with cams you will always have the power, and there is no risk associated with using it.
-Matthew |
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06-29-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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That's no worse than telling a turbo guy, "Just wait for that wastegate to stick." What happens if one of the cams has a bad spot of metal and breaks??? That's like saying just wait on that oil pump to go, just wait on that deer to run out in front of you, just wait on God to strike lightning on your car, so you better not drive it ever.
Please..... ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, modification that you do to your car will have the chance of messing something up. I don't car if it's a dam K & N air filter, there could be some metal mesh in there that was installed incorrectly that could get sucked into the engine and screw it up.
I'm so dam tired of people who KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK OF, AND TRY TO GIVE ADVICE TO OTHERS ABOUT IT. Regardless of the kind of system/power adder, there is a chance that something that will go wrong. As long as you properly set up your system it can be just as reliable as anything else..... That includes relays, pulling your solenoids and checking for debris every 6 months or so, checking connects, wires, and so on.......
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06-29-2007, 11:51 PM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: May 2006
City: bristol
State: Tennessee
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OK there is no risk of hurting anything with cams huh? ok what happens when you do cams and dont get a good tune huh? the same fucking thing that happens with any power adder. If you dont like nitrous dont tell others it will blow your car up.That is the dumbest statement i have ever heard nitrous doesn't kill motor's dumbass people do.
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06-30-2007, 01:07 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: Mar 2007
City: Calgary, Alberta
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The fact remains that a nitrous system failure or operator mistake is a game ender, and the risk associated with nitrous systems far exceeds the risk associated with supercharger or turbo systems. The risk associated with a roller cam is essentially nonexistent once the motor passes the startup phase.
I see hundreds and hundreds of Mustangs every year, and the ones that blow up are the ones with nitrous. But hey, go ahead and evangelize nitrous systems all you want for all I care.
-Matthew |
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06-30-2007, 11:52 AM
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Re: cams or nitrous?
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Join Date: May 2006
City: bristol
State: Tennessee
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THEN SHUT UP AND BUY YOUR VORTECH...... you know that way you can make 380hp 350ftlbs for $4500 and i can make 430hp 550+ftlbs for less than a $1000
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