lowered the car more and got it nice and clean

[Thomas91169]

Quote: Originally Posted by Danger Dude when a BMW 3 series with minimal mods can slap around a 03-04 Cobra

It can?

[Danger Dude]

Quote: Originally Posted by Thomas91169 It can?

Yes the inline 6 in that car can. Now I am not talking about a modded 03-04. I guess you dont remember the first shootout in a magazine involving a Last year Z-28 SS Camaro and a 03 Cobra. The editor brought his 3 series BMW and was right there in the pack. The inline six has an enormous crank and puts out some really hefty torque numbers. A V8 Crank is basically slightly longer than the 4 cylinders on one side of the engine being they are offset. A inline 6 crank is six cylinders long creating some enormous torque. Look at all the inline tractor and large truck engines. You dont see many diesels V engines they are inline.

[Thomas91169]

was the beemer stock?

the thing i hate most is people comparing apples to grapefruit with sugar on top and a little umbrella toothpick attached to it. Compare Stock to Stock or Mod to Mod.

So a modded beamer kept up with a stock 03? How much did the beamer cost plus mods to just keep up with a 03, and whats the cost of said 03? doesnt look too good now does it.

[Danger Dude]

Quote: Originally Posted by Thomas91169 was the beemer stock? the thing i hate most is people comparing apples to grapefruit with sugar on top and a little umbrella toothpick attached to it. Compare Stock to Stock or Mod to Mod. So a modded beamer kept up with a stock 03? How much did the beamer cost plus mods to just keep up with a 03?

It was a stock Beamer one week off the showroom. The beamer was more expensive than the Cobra I dont remember exactly how much more. It has 4 doors and purrs like a kitten with interior rivaling most houses and no road noise nor do you feel little road bumps and it our corners everything but a ZO6 Corvette or a Viper

I agree apples to oranges as such with a V6 Mustang to a 03-04 Cobra. it is a $17,000 car verses a $30,000+ car. The amount spent to make the v6 fast and handle better is still much less than a Cobra both in terms of cost and insurance.

See I bring up something with a 6 cylinder that cost more and you seem to get defensive. Why?? Well it is the same for a V6 mustang owner, not even respected by other mustang owners. Sure you were just having fun with a friend but at the same time it is deep down the general perception of any v8 sports car owners that V6 models are a joke. Face the truth it slaps you in the face BY GOD!!

[Thomas91169]

dude you are old, your insurance premium for a cobra would likely be equal to the 6er (unless you have laibility only)

and that mindset is to a point. a cobra with a few boltons making ~500whp is going to be much more DD friendly than a built 6er running boost or whatnot making the same amount of power. All things being equal, the car closest to stock will always be more reliable and tame. Though it all depends on what your needs and goals are with the car. for me, i like having a car with ~450whp thats very dependable since its so close to stock. If i had to keep my GT i wouldn't trust it for a DD if it was making this much power. Just like with my GSX, the farther from stock it gets, the less i would depend on its reliability and driveability factor (hell, its pretty rough as it is, stiff ass suspension setup, full rollcage, no interior, etc).

hella off topic btw.

[Danger Dude]

Quote: Originally Posted by Thomas91169 dude you are old, your insurance premium for a cobra would likely be equal to the 6er (unless you have laibility only) and that mindset is to a point. a cobra with a few boltons making ~500whp is going to be much more DD friendly than a built 6er running boost or whatnot making the same amount of power. All things being equal, the car closest to stock will always be more reliable and tame. Though it all depends on what your needs and goals are with the car. for me, i like having a car with ~450whp thats very dependable since its so close to stock. If i had to keep my GT i wouldn't trust it for a DD if it was making this much power. Just like with my GSX, the farther from stock it gets, the less i would depend on its reliability and driveability factor (hell, its pretty rough as it is, stiff ass suspension setup, full rollcage, no interior, etc). hella off topic btw.

Actually you are talking about making 500HP but most people dont want to make 500HP. Less than 1/10 of 1 percent will ever take a mustang to a track. What we are talking about is a street car set up for saturday night Boulevard blasting and bragging rights. I have seen many cars in my time take much more powerful cars on the street. For most it is short distances and light quick cars do well stoplight to stoplight. For example there is a guy in Virginia name Zach who had a V6 stock motor with some intake work,100 shot of Nitrous, either 373 or 410 gears and a good tuned chip and he beat a 03 Cobra in the 1/4. there was even a video for a while on this site. Now was the Cobra driver a moron. Could be but when the name of the game is bragging rights. A win is a win. On the Streets excuses mean nothing. 200-300 RWHP in a V6 stang is great for boulevard blasting and can with the right driver and luck beat most cars in a light to light blast.

Fun is the name of the game. That goes for any type of car. I beat down on honda Civic 's because of the trolls driving them not the cars. I once wanted to make a nice street car out od a late 80's Civic SI but I got a bike instead

[SimplyOrangeTPS]

[quote=Thomas91169;460790])
a cobra with a few boltons making ~500whp is going to be much more DD friendly than a built 6er running boost or whatnot making the same amount of power. QUOTE]

very true

Quote: Originally Posted by Danger Dude Actually you are talking about making 500HP but most people dont want to make 500HP. Less than 1/10 of 1 percent will ever take a mustang to a track.

we are from two different worlds then, in louisiana, its rare to find a mustang that doesent go to the track and 450-500hp is the norm, thats why i have to build 700+hp to be impressive(with full interior and ac.) also i know there are exceptions but ive never been beaten with my 01 cobra n=motor by a V6, and it has only had nitrous for a little while now.

as far as being ignorant, i work at a local performance shop and i pick on kyle about it but in reality i am going to be responsible for getting 500rwhp out of his car so he can run in the 10.50 index...i just mess with him because i can, and he doesent car..hell we just got done bsing at hooters.
im well aware of the capabilities of all mustang engines, ask anybody locally that has need tech advice, they will tell you that i can give instructions down to the size wrench you need and how many bolts over the phone.

point is a v8 responds to power better than the v6 and has greater potential in the longrun.i dont see many V6s around here making 800-1000 hp but there are a handful of turbo cobras making those numbers.but i do not look down on v6s,to me its about how far you go from the baseline..not how it compares to other cars. a friend of mine builds 7 sec big block street cars and street races with us...i dont try to beat him because its pointless and hes made of money.

i just mess with kyle because i have his plans on an estimate sitting in our office and im giving him incentive to do it.

[girlandherstang]

reading this thread has gotten very interesting...and kinda humorous...lol it's old vs new!! who will be the victor??! hahahaha

[modular2valve]

im the victor......

[girlandherstang]

yur not in this match! u gotta wait for the next one! lol

[Thomas91169]

I have a coworker named Victor. Hes Russian. Try saying Victor without emphasizing the Tor. "VicTOOOOOOR!" if you dont, it just sounds ghey, like "Victer"

[modular2valve]

Quote: Originally Posted by girlandherstang yur not in this match! u gotta wait for the next one! lol

well that sucks...now i guess ill wander off..

















meanie head.

[Danger Dude]

Quote: Originally Posted by SimplyOrangeTPS we are from two different worlds then, in louisiana, its rare to find a mustang that doesent go to the track and 450-500hp is the norm,

Actually we are in the same world The fact is whatever you see a stang at the track there are hundreds parked at houses that are daily drivers. Modded just stand out more. Now when you get to fox bodies they are modded a lot more. Cars under warranty don't get modded much at all. I once read an article where Ford said one in 1,000 mustangs have even a bolt-on . What you think is a lot is based on what you see not what you don't see. If you lived in a town of 500 you would know everyone but in Baton Rogue that is a city of a few hundred thousand. More mustangs there than you will ever see because most don't go to the track, most don't go to car shows because to most it is just a car and transportation. The whole after market is geared towards either hard core racers who are probably 1 in 7,500 and young guys who are 1 in 1,000. These figures are based on studies done by after market companies.

[girlandherstang]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I am not a meanie head! I's nice I am...

[girlandherstang]

Quote: Originally Posted by Danger Dude The whole after market is geared towards either hard core racers who are probably 1 in 75,000 and young guys who are 1 in 10,000.

uhh girls are in to aftermarket too ya know. u didn't include that. and i think this has kinda gotten outa hand myself. but...that's just me...i'm just a girl that talks too much.

[Thomas91169]

i dunno man. i think that ratio has to be quite off. 1 in 10,000?

hell you could take the total production number of every mustang ever and devide by number of users on ME or hell, even larger stang sites (Stangnet, Corral, etc) and come up with a better ratio than that.

i dunno, other than secretaries in 6ers and rich ones that buy GT's, who buys a stang and doesnt mod it at all?

i would venture to say one in 20 v6ers gets mods, one in 3 GT's gets mods, every SVT, Saleen, Roush, GT500 will get modded in some way, shape or form (even if the owner denies it at time of sale). id even venture to say 1 in 2 03/04's will get boltons, 1 in 4 will raise boost, 1 in 10 will get a ported blower, 1 in every 2 who went ported will sell for a KB/Whipple, and 1 in 20 will go KB/Whipple from the get go. 1 in 100 will go Turbo, same applies for nitrous users. 1 in 500 will see a built or rebuilt motor. 1 in 1000 will become a dedicated track car (be it drag or turning).

Quote: Originally Posted by girlandherstang and i think this has kinda gotten outa hand myself. but...that's just me...i'm just a girl that talks too much.

dont worry, this is still quite civil.

You havent been around for the IRS vs Solid Rear debates. thems were good times.

[modular2valve]

Quote: Originally Posted by girlandherstang BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I am not a meanie head! I's nice I am...

meanie head.