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03-04-2004, 07:58 PM
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Mass Air Meters
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USCGR PSU-301
Join Date: Mar 2004
City: Baltimore, MD
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Looking into getting a Mass Air meter, but want to know which is the best one. C & L (http://www.rpmoutlet.com/cnl1mustangv6.htm) is one option Im looking at, but its in a 73mm size. The other is a Pro-M Univer, there are so many options im not sure which to go with (http://www.pro-flow.com/Mustang%20Files/Mustang%209603%2038.htm). If anyone has any input or could tell me which to go with, I would really appreciate it.
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03-04-2004, 08:04 PM
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Eyes So Tight I Pass For An Asian
Join Date: May 2003
City: Huntsville
State: Alabama
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What other mods do you have done to your car? Mass Air Meters on a near stock car yeild very little |
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03-04-2004, 08:07 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Burlington, NC
State: North Carolina
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I personally have had very good luck with C&L mafs. Some people think they are only good for paperweights though and say you are better off to stay with a ford maf and just have a chip burned for whichever ford maf you use. 6 of one half dozen of the other, they recommend the lightening mafs, some even the 02+ GT mafs. Like I said, I like C&L, some people like Pro M, I heard long time ago they couldn't make two mafs that ran the same, so I never bought one.
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 Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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03-05-2004, 02:59 AM
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USCGR PSU-301
Join Date: Mar 2004
City: Baltimore, MD
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I just put in the sig what is done. The reason I am asking is because there was a recent 5.0 where they did a bunch of bolt-ons for the 3.8 and dyno'd. The Mass Air Meter showed some impressive gains with the NO2.
edit- It was the february issue of 5.0 mustang, with the pro-m univer mass air, the car dyno'd 25hp and 19 tq gain. Its alot, but its in the article.
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http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8448/v6stangscom.jpg--2000 3.8L Lazer Red 5spd---Performance- Nitrous Express 75 Wet Shot, MAC Cold Air, Borla Dual Exhaust, ASP Underdrive Pulley, Jacobs Ignition/Wires, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter. *FMS Aluminum D/S*-Appearence- Razzi Full Body Kit, American Racing Rims.-Times--N/A-15.1@93mph--75Shot-14.2@101 - awful 60' times
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03-05-2004, 07:37 AM
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Taking life one day at a time
Join Date: May 2003
City: Simpsonville
State: South Carolina
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I would personally not go with a different MAF and buy 3.73 or 4.10 gears and get a chip or SCT tune especially with the nitrous
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03-05-2004, 02:54 PM
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USCGR PSU-301
Join Date: Mar 2004
City: Baltimore, MD
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Yes I would too danger dude, thats whay I have a 8.8'' 3.55 in the basement so thats taken care of. I also have a diablo chip I will get reburned when Im done. Thanks for the input but What Im asking is does anybody have any information on these mass air meters.
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http://www.mustangmods.com/data/8448/v6stangscom.jpg--2000 3.8L Lazer Red 5spd---Performance- Nitrous Express 75 Wet Shot, MAC Cold Air, Borla Dual Exhaust, ASP Underdrive Pulley, Jacobs Ignition/Wires, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter. *FMS Aluminum D/S*-Appearence- Razzi Full Body Kit, American Racing Rims.-Times--N/A-15.1@93mph--75Shot-14.2@101 - awful 60' times
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03-05-2004, 03:43 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
Join Date: May 2003
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OK then Rick has had good success with C&L but some programmers have had some problems while others have not. ProM is one that alot more programmers have had little problems with. It is a toss up. I would talk to the people who are going to reprogram your chip and ask if they have had any problems
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03-05-2004, 09:55 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Burlington, NC
State: North Carolina
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Dennis Reinhart told me my C&L was a junk MAF before he made my SCT chip, he had never said a thing about it before until then, I told him I had not had any problems with it or another one I had prior to it, and he said ok and burned my chip for it, its been doing great, maybe its a requirement with the "Jerry" programming, LOL. 
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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03-05-2004, 09:59 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Burlington, NC
State: North Carolina
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I like the fact that C&L uses Factory Ford electronics and you can recalibrate by changing the calibration tube. ProM makes their own electronics, and from all I hear they have never made two sets of electronics the same yet.
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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03-09-2004, 09:09 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 164
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Wait until later down the road to upgrade to a new MAF because the hp/tq gains are extremely small and your set-up is not enough to justify a new one.
But if you really do want one just buy a Lightning or 99+ GT Stock Ford MAF and get a chip along with it.
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03-09-2004, 09:17 AM
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Senior Tech Advisor
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Burlington, NC
State: North Carolina
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That is why you won't get much gains from it Zach, go to www.cnlperformance.com they have the specs on what gains you will get on a stock v6 with their mafs and the dyno sheets to back them up I believe. http://www.cnlperformance.com/73mm_V6.html I didn't see any dyno sheets, but this is what they have to say, its pretty interesting. Also as near as I can see C&L still only makes the V6 maf to fit up to a 2000 model, I think that is pretty interesting since that article someone linked to on here the other day had a 2003 model v6 with a C&L maf and Mac CAI, this isn't recommended by C&L at all btw. I think it was from RPM not redlined but that other outfit. :-?
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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03-09-2004, 05:33 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Yeah we've heard it all before about the whole C&L MAF. Some people like it and others don't. I will never run one on any of my cars. i know how they work and what they do to make power. Been at many dyno places while cars with C&L intakes and maf's were on the dyno.
The ford maf's are much easier/safer to tune and more reliable. |
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03-09-2004, 09:20 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Burlington, NC
State: North Carolina
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All of you people try to make such a big thing out of C&L mafs, in reality its only a maf body, it is still using the stock ford mass air sensor, geez.
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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03-14-2004, 07:23 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2004
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 so let me get this straight...a gt maf or lighting maf is a direct replacement for my '94 v6?
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03-15-2004, 01:48 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
Join Date: May 2003
City: Simpsonville
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Not without a chip or tuning.
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03-15-2004, 02:32 PM
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FormerMod
Join Date: May 2003
City: Riverside County, CA
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Correct. A different MAF will change your A/F ratio and the MAF readings. Only a reburn/new chip will compensate for the change. |
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03-15-2004, 06:15 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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but the connector is the same right? and will it improve anything on a stock engine?
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03-15-2004, 06:34 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Not really without mods it is sort of a waste. But if you had P&P heads , intakes or a cam it would help. If you had nitrous it would also help.
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03-15-2004, 06:39 PM
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Registered User
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ok, so stock it is, thanks!
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