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05-06-2004, 11:24 PM
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MM&FF (Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords) V6 Bolt Ons Power Parts Tested
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Cars & Love
Join Date: Dec 2003
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I got excited when my parents picked this up for me when they went out the other day. On the bottom of the front magazine there's a V-6 Power Parts Tested in bold. I went to the page and it talked about all the bolt ons you could start putting on your V6 Stock car. What's even better is how they dyno'd every part and decribed the added horse power and torque each piece will do for your car. So here we go, read on! BTW - They tested a 2002 3.8 Mustang for this.
The first bolt-on component to be tested was a Diablosport Chip from PDQ Performance. The chip altered the fuel adn timing tables to improve the performance on their stock V-6. The Diablo chip improved the power output from 162 to 170 hp, with a 9 lb-ft gain in the torque. The chip was easy to install, but they noticed a trace detonation with their pathetic 91-octane fuel.
Next was the BBK Cold Air Intake system, it upped the power from 170 hp to over 176 hp.
And after that they added a Direct-Fit cat-back exhaust system from MAC Products. After they tested it, they got around maybe 5-6 hp over the stock exhaust.
Next up was an underdrive crack pulley which included a new harmonic damper, as the factory damper and crank were one piece. The new underdrive crank pulley required a shorter belt, but they were rewarded by their efforts with an extra 7 peak HP. Upping the power now to 183 hp.
Next they added new headers (shorty) from Mac Products. When tested, the peak power gains were not significant (at 2 hp), but the revised tubing did increse the low speed torque production by 5-6 lb-ft.
So instead they added another set of headers. Yup you guessed it, Mac long-tube headers. This time the long-tube headers were worth 7-8 hp over the shorties.
After installing the MAC long-tube headers, they reinstalled the cold air intake with a MAC cold air intake. The cold air kit raised the power from 183 to 190 hp.
And that's how they did it, the ending where they replaced the CAI was a little odd in the power jump but oh well. Hope you all enjoyed it!
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 05-11-2004 at 01:34 PM..
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05-07-2004, 03:19 AM
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You want to **** me?
Join Date: Jun 2003
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are all those ratings RWHP or BHP?
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05-07-2004, 03:45 AM
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Cars & Love
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Honestly, I went through the entire article, read everything and it doesn't say.
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05-07-2004, 10:03 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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must have been RWHP, cuz there baseline was 162(might have had a 5speed) i know that the 99/00 motors are rated at like 190 BHP, and the 01+ 193......
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05-07-2004, 12:13 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
Join Date: May 2003
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Once again I am highly suspect that HP grew to those amounts when in the real world nobody gets from 162 to 190 with bolt on mods unless it is a supercharger. Guys think about it. I personally only gained about 16 RWHP with DenseCharger, Dual exhaust, F-2 Fordchip and UDP. I am sorry I continue to believe what I have seen at real dyno's before believing magazine dynos simple because they need advertisment dollars from the suppliers they are dynoing.
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 05-11-2004 at 01:31 PM..
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05-07-2004, 12:22 PM
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You want to **** me?
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Thats a good point, but why would they want to lie to the consumers? That wouldn't help their magazine sales much at the same time. 
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05-07-2004, 01:08 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Not lie but not tell the real truth. it is the grey area I bet they were not put on one after another but put on and taken off each time. I have never seen an accumulative test on a dyno get nowhere that amount on a V6. Think about it that is what people get with a cam and P&P head swap.
Read this sentence it is even saying they did not test accumulatively
Humm!!!! fishy Why would you need to put the CAI back on and test it again if you already had it on. I call MM&FF test Bogus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you telling me a A MAC makes 7 more HP over a BBK BULLSHIT. They are saying BBK made 6HP and add MAC's 7 more that makes 13 hp with a CAI double bullshit!!
This test stinks and you know what they are doing this and kids will by into it and buy these products and wonder why they did not get the same increases
TO hell with MM&FF
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 05-11-2004 at 01:31 PM..
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05-07-2004, 01:12 PM
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You want to **** me?
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i see what youre saying, they probably tested one at a time, then added up each gain to see that 190 hp, but its not all on the car at the same time... FUGGERS!!! 
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05-07-2004, 01:17 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Exactly!!!!! This type of article does not help anyone trying to get real world numbers to decised what they want. Really if they want to do a service they would do an article with all the engine mod players. RPM, EE, Super 6, Morana, RGR. Now that would be informative!!!! BY GOD
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 05-11-2004 at 01:31 PM..
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05-07-2004, 01:26 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Oh in reading this I have another problem they first tested shorties with a MAC cat-Back muffer system then they decided to attach MAC long tube header???? How did they do that I wonder????? WTF!!! How did they accomplish this??? You would think they would tell!!!! This article sux and I believe there might not have even been an actual dyno but they just used accumulation of articles or Manufactures claims.
I think I will take back my earlier statement and just call them liars BY GOD!!!!!
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 05-11-2004 at 01:32 PM..
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05-07-2004, 02:07 PM
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05-07-2004, 02:26 PM
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No sense emailling them, they wont reply, I have tried getting the Mach1 featured in there mag not long ago and I didnt get 1 reply back from them at all.
BASTURDS
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Last edited by KrazyPony; 05-07-2004 at 02:46 PM..
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05-07-2004, 10:06 PM
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Thats Crazy!!! I would think that she could land the cover for sure.....
I agree with the mods thing too Corey. I was skeptical to belive that they added 28 RWHP with just those bolt ons......I think they could benefit from a little one on one time with Brother Coreys rubber hose  .. That'll fix 'em 
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05-08-2004, 07:43 PM
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
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they really need to do a motor build with a 4.2 crank... put out some really good numbers then put on a single turbo and see what it will do.
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05-10-2004, 04:52 PM
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Thats a significant difference between the mac intake and the bbk, and everyone always badmouths mac... Another common myth was proven wrong that LT's dont do shit... I would be curious to see how the torque was though.
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05-10-2004, 06:10 PM
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Eyes So Tight I Pass For An Asian
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Write up a nice letter to them and we will send it in on behalf of Mustang-Forums.com Cant hurt to try it |
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05-11-2004, 08:23 AM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Dont believe a word of that article. How do they swap shorties for long tubes and still have a Cat back system on. Come on this was a crappy article with absolute ridiculous claims. I have wittnessed to many dyno's and seen the real world numbers to ever believe that article. The claims seem to be right out of the advertisements form the manufactures. This articles stinks with deceit!!!
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 05-11-2004 at 01:32 PM..
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05-11-2004, 04:22 PM
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I like that idea. They need to send us videos of all this to make it authentic, the pictures in the mag did NOTHING to show how it all looked, other than just showing the bolt on (not attatched to the engine) and the stats from the dyno
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