Cam suggestions

[Ninethourpm]

i plan to port n polish the intakes and heads (probably stock size valves) what would be a good cam to go with this. futer mods planned are 4.2 or 4.3 stroker kit, maybe a blower down the road. I also plan to still drive the car on the street so nothing too wild like a 2000rpm idle.

[stangaroo]

When it comes to cams I know nothing- but as far as stroker kits, from what I understand they increase torque a great deal but then you're getting the mileage of a GT but not the awesome sound of a GT, and since the only thing good about the v6 is the mileage, it kind of defeats the purpose.

A high output supercharger or even a turbo would be good because under normal driving conditions the mileage remains the same. If it's a daily driver i'd say skip the stroker step, if you're building a car that is for racing at the strip but doesn't have to be towed there, sell your car, get a 5.0 GT and let the mods begin.

Almost every 400hp+ v6 owner out there is pissed that they don't have a v8 and spent enough to have a used GT500

Just my $ .02

-Stangaroo

[Ninethourpm]

Well im one of those guys dead set on making a 400 hp V6 just because i can. For the same reason i got a 750cc putting out more power than a harley twice the size.

[Ninethourpm]

I dont get the milage comment cause when i got done with my bike I went from 30 mpg to 50 mpg and 11 second 1/4 Miles

[sonicpony03]

I'd check out morana v6 racing. Tom specializes in cams, intakes, crankshafts, pretty much everything you need to crank out a badass v6. I'd look at their site or give them a call. 416-412-2815

He could tell you what cam you'd want for your application.

[SerbStang]

I recently got SSM heads and intakes, used! I took them to a machine shop to have them cleaned and now they look awesome! Anyways, i'm looking for a cam too, but i have no clue about cams. I want to get everything done right but still dont know what all i need. Cam, springs, pushrods, rockers...? Lots of stuff, and not cheap at all. I have a grand to spend but i dont think it would be enough.

[Ninethourpm]

watch someone else come in here and tell us to sell our cars and get GTs lol
just like eveyone i know on a harley tells me i need to get a real bike even though when i ride with them my bike hardly working

[sonicpony03]

Since you're already digging into the motor, you might as well do the cam, pushrods, lifters, rockers, etc. As far as price, I personally don't know what it would run, i haven't done anything that serious before. I could imagine it easily being over 1000 g's w/o labor.

You could get a mild cam with smooth idle, or an agressive cam with a rough idle.

[sonicpony03]

Here's a good site that explains how cams work.

Cam Specs & Effects, duration centerline separation and lift
Cam Truth

I'd also give Tom a call at Moranav6Racing. He can help you with your engine building, especially cams.

[bbunt302]

Here's another great read on cams: Cam Truth

If you really want to squeeze that much power out of the V6, I would strongly consider getting a custom cam spec'd. It will cost you a little more, but it's one of the most important pieces of your engine, and you'll need the perfect cam to get where you want to be.

[Ken Cheema]

Quote: Originally Posted by stangaroo When it comes to cams I know nothing- but as far as stroker kits, from what I understand they increase torque a great deal but then you're getting the mileage of a GT but not the awesome sound of a GT, and since the only thing good about the v6 is the mileage, it kind of defeats the purpose. A high output supercharger or even a turbo would be good because under normal driving conditions the mileage remains the same. If it's a daily driver i'd say skip the stroker step, if you're building a car that is for racing at the strip but doesn't have to be towed there, sell your car, get a 5.0 GT and let the mods begin. Almost every 400hp+ v6 owner out there is pissed that they don't have a v8 and spent enough to have a used GT500 Just my $ .02 -Stangaroo

yep that discribes me completely!!!! lol

[stangaroo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ken Cheema yep that discribes me completely!!!! lol

I spoke with Tom over at Tom Morana Racing Engines and it looks like I'm gonna do the same exact thing after further research... turns out the other benefit of the v6 is the almost perfect 50/50 balance that the GT and the Shelby both lack, so a powerful 6 is a way better track car and can be built up just as much as any GT.

So it all comes down to what you want: a car that sounds amazing, or a car that handles slightly better... that you can afford while working at in-n-out burger

[Ken Cheema]

Quote: Originally Posted by stangaroo I spoke with Tom over at Tom Morana Racing Engines and it looks like I'm gonna do the same exact thing after further research... turns out the other benefit of the v6 is the almost perfect 50/50 balance that the GT and the Shelby both lack, so a powerful 6 is a way better track car and can be built up just as much as any GT. So it all comes down to what you want: a car that sounds amazing, or a car that handles slightly better... that you can afford while working at in-n-out burger

Thats is so dam intresting. never though of it like that, or heard it put like that.

[Ninethourpm]

You see carrol shelbY once said u cant turn a pack mule into a race horse (refering to the mustang). Well that donkey sure made an ass out of him!!!!!!

[SerbStang]

Are these numbers good for a V6 with PP heads and intakes?

216/216 Camshaft with a .560 lift

[SerbStang]

Come on guys i need some help with deciding if this cam is fine for me! This guy had it with F/I, he ran turbo, and i dont know how it would work with N/A! He also has springs and pushrods, and said i could use stock rockers! Any advice?

[bbunt302]

Quote: Originally Posted by SerbStang Come on guys i need some help with deciding if this cam is fine for me! This guy had it with F/I, he ran turbo, and i dont know how it would work with N/A! He also has springs and pushrods, and said i could use stock rockers! Any advice?

It's impossible to tell whether a cam is good for a car just based on lift, advertised duration and a couple parts on the car. Anyone who would try to answer your question would just be talking out their ass.

If he chose the cam for a turbo V6, it will NOT be the best cam for a N/A car (assuming he knew what he was doing when he bought the cam). I would really recommend getting in touch with a custom cam grinder if you truly want to get the best cam for your car. At the very least, read the article I posted earlier in the thread so that you can be able to make a somewhat informed decision on what cam will work well with your car.

One big thing you will need to know when you are looking for a cam is how well the ported heads flow. Do you have flow numbers for them? Do you have any idea at what lift they start to peak? Without this info, it's going to be nearly impossible to select a cam.

[slvr2000stang]

Quote: Originally Posted by SerbStang Come on guys i need some help with deciding if this cam is fine for me! This guy had it with F/I, he ran turbo, and i dont know how it would work with N/A! He also has springs and pushrods, and said i could use stock rockers! Any advice?

It will work BUT it is not ideal for an NA application.
Look at what Tom Y lists on supersixmotorsports for an NA application.


And YES 400rwhp is easily obtainable these days.

[SerbStang]

Quote: Originally Posted by bbunt302 It's impossible to tell whether a cam is good for a car just based on lift, advertised duration and a couple parts on the car. Anyone who would try to answer your question would just be talking out their ass. If he chose the cam for a turbo V6, it will NOT be the best cam for a N/A car (assuming he knew what he was doing when he bought the cam). I would really recommend getting in touch with a custom cam grinder if you truly want to get the best cam for your car. At the very least, read the article I posted earlier in the thread so that you can be able to make a somewhat informed decision on what cam will work well with your car. One big thing you will need to know when you are looking for a cam is how well the ported heads flow. Do you have flow numbers for them? Do you have any idea at what lift they start to peak? Without this info, it's going to be nearly impossible to select a cam.

Thanks man. I have no idea about my heads. All i know is that they are stage 2 from SSM!

[slvr2000stang]

Quote: Originally Posted by SerbStang Thanks man. I have no idea about my heads. All i know is that they are stage 2 from SSM!

Tom is real consistent with his porting process and the stage 2 heads generally flow 230 CFM intake/150 CFM exhaust.

Cam examples would be
212/218 .55/.55 110 lsa
218/224 .55/.55 112 lsa

Both have made good NA power.

[SerbStang]

Quote: Originally Posted by slvr2000stang Tom is real consistent with his porting process and the stage 2 heads generally flow 230 CFM intake/150 CFM exhaust. Cam examples would be 212/218 .55/.55 110 lsa 218/224 .55/.55 112 lsa Both have made good NA power.

I'll just wait till i get enough $$$$ and I'll give a call to SSM, and have them spec me a cam! Or I might call RPM and have one from them, they are cheaper! I just dont know if i'll be able to use my stock rockers with this cam or get new ones, together with pushods and springs!

Silver how's your thing with Delk going on...you solved it yet?

[slvr2000stang]

Quote: Originally Posted by SerbStang I'll just wait till i get enough $$$$ and I'll give a call to SSM, and have them spec me a cam! Or I might call RPM and have one from them, they are cheaper! I just dont know if i'll be able to use my stock rockers with this cam or get new ones, together with pushods and springs! Silver how's your thing with Delk going on...you solved it yet?

It appears to be making some progress.

[SerbStang]

Quote: Originally Posted by slvr2000stang It appears to be making some progress.

Thats good man...cant wait to see it done and see some numbers! Now that you are rebuilding the engine, what are you going to do with your cam?

[slvr2000stang]

We are getting a new one to match the new setup.

[SerbStang]

Quote: Originally Posted by slvr2000stang We are getting a new one to match the new setup.

And what are you doing with the old one? If its good for NA on SSM heads, you should sell it to me! Or did it fail too?

[slvr2000stang]

Quote: Originally Posted by SerbStang And what are you doing with the old one? If its good for NA on SSM heads, you should sell it to me! Or did it fail too?

No it is in perfect condition. It is a high lift cam so springs that would support that would be required. See my for sale thread over on V6P

[SerbStang]

Quote: Originally Posted by slvr2000stang Tom is real consistent with his porting process and the stage 2 heads generally flow 230 CFM intake/150 CFM exhaust. Cam examples would be 212/218 .55/.55 110 lsa 218/224 .55/.55 112 lsa Both have made good NA power.

Hey silver how about this cam? 216/216 Camshaft with a .560 lift, with 112 lobe separation! It was on a turbo car tho. Would it work?

[slvr2000stang]

Quote: Originally Posted by SerbStang Hey silver how about this cam? 216/216 Camshaft with a .560 lift, with 112 lobe separation! It was on a turbo car tho. Would it work?

That is not bad but as you can see in the examples it's better to favor the exhaust duration more.

[Ken Cheema]

sorry to throw your conversation off but since were on the question of cams. what does anyone think of comp cams. that was the next thing i wanted to do was swap out my cams for stage 2 comp cams which do not require new springs/rockers ect. ect.

[SerbStang]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ken Cheema sorry to throw your conversation off but since were on the question of cams. what does anyone think of comp cams. that was the next thing i wanted to do was swap out my cams for stage 2 comp cams which do not require new springs/rockers ect. ect.

I think they are one of the best! I dont know alot about cams tho, but Im sure somebody will jump in and explain it better...lol! Anyways, Im getting 212/218, most likely from SSM. Since the cam is billet, I dont need pushrods or rockers for this cam, only springs. So i dont have to spend some more money! I might go with Moranas too, but their cams are reground and require new pushrods.

[Ken Cheema]

thanks for the input

[Ninethourpm]

if the operating range on a cam is 1500-5800 does that mean it idles at 1500rpm? or just the powerband? is 1500 a little high for an idle on the street? is that emissions legal?

[bbunt302]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ninethourpm if the operating range on a cam is 1500-5800 does that mean it idles at 1500rpm? or just the powerband? is 1500 a little high for an idle on the street? is that emissions legal?

That's just where the powerband is. My cam has a 1800-6000 RPM powerband I believe, but it idles just fine at 800 RPM.

[slvr2000stang]

Quote: Originally Posted by bbunt302 That's just where the powerband is. My cam has a 1800-6000 RPM powerband I believe, but it idles just fine at 800 RPM.

Yes, That is correct.

[1234]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ninethourpm Well im one of those guys dead set on making a 400 hp V6 just because i can. For the same reason i got a 750cc putting out more power than a harley twice the size.

But thats not hard.