Its funny when people say stuff like this because it makes them look like they have no idea on the history behind the mustang. Ford first put a 4 cylinder in the mustang in the second generations back in 1973. Ford never marketed the car as a complete line of all out performance cars. They've always had the base model (which from 1974 through 1994 was a 4 cylinder) and then the 'performance' model which Ford showcased its performance with. Both to appeal to a different crowd of buyers.Am I ideological ? You bet I am ! That is why we fell in love with the mustang...otherwise we could all be driving around in subarus.
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Spoken like a true Hypocrite.
That "crappy ass 4 banger" not only puts down GT levels of performance with a tire and tune only
12.6 @ 108 with radial
12.1 @ 112 with slicks
But also makes more power than ANY previous model GT save the S197 5.0 ... I fail to see what about it is crappy other than the fact you're upset it doesn't have 4 more cylinders?
Also, define "not improving." The cars interior is 100x nicer than the outgoing S197, it drives seconds per lap faster around a track, and every 1/4 video I have seen has it matching, or slightly losing (1-2 tenths) to the S197, but without a doubt out trapping it by 1-2 mph as well. Aside from maybe not like the cosmetics, I really do fail to see why everyone hates this car and views it as a failure...
Do you know how ridiculously small of a population would intentionally buy a live-axle 2015? Absolutely no one except for hardcore drag-racers. Literally no one else. So, how does that make sense as a business decision? Just because someone somewhere might buy something doesn't mean that it should be done. These cars are mass-produced. They aren't bespoke.They should have definitely offered a live axle as an option.
No. I like the live axle in my 13.I bet if we said how much we love it day after day, that would be fine with you. Ford could of easily made the S197 have a more refine interior as you speak of. They didn't need to hold off until the S550. Ford could of easily given the later year S197's IRS. No need to wait for the S550's to give it that.
The Mustang Source Website is complete trash.
I agree!!!! The car has lost its muscle look and stance! Dont get me wrong, nice car but its a Mustang, not a BMW or a Camaro!!!! Somewhat hate what Ford did with it!I love the exterior but once I sat inside the 15 it reminded me too much of a camaro. Hard to see out off so I won't be trading my 14 in for one.
1. There are several 2.0L turbo cars moving cars that weight 3400-3500 lbs just fine, Evo, Wrx, Golf R ... and Several European cars managing to do the same. Virtually all new BMWs are 2.0L turbos weighing easily mid 3000s. Thats a very narrow minded way of thinking.Voltwings...
First of all hp numbers alone mean jack...I don't care if it puts down 500hp...conceptually, yes ideology and attitude DOES COUNT, a muscle car does not have 4 cylinders. That is a EUROPEAN concept. If I wanted a European car, I would buy one. The mustang is american pride and should stay that way. Aside from conceptually, the problem technically is that you are hauling ass on a 4 banger with a car that weighs like a truck ! Go look at the BMW, Jap cars that run those turbo 4 cyls and look at the weights. You can put down 1000hp crank but if it takes 900 just to get the damn thing moving then you can wipe your feet with it. There will be problems with that engine I guarantee you. Life expectancy will not be long...and this I am getting from the best mustang tuners on the West Coast, I am not pulling it out of my ass.
As for "not improving" I meant the 3.7 v6 engine....which has gone DOWN in hp instead of UP! This is a clear signal they are phasing it out...meaning...in some years if we want to get a new stang, it's either expensive GT or the 4 cylinder...with everything I just said above.
Moreover, I test drove it last week...smooth, quiet, precise, comfortable...those are NOT descriptors of an American muscle car. Ask your grandpa...it felt like an Audi, drove like an Audi and looked like one...
Oh yes, and it sounds like **** as well. Unless you leave on the "fake" engine sound coming through your speakers, yes just as BMW does...see the pattern here ?
Am I ideological ? You bet I am ! That is why we fell in love with the mustang...otherwise we could all be driving around in subarus.
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So its alright to force feed your opinions but shoot down others? You're a part of the problem you claim to be sick of.Do you know how ridiculously small of a population would intentionally buy a live-axle 2015? Absolutely no one except for hardcore drag-racers. Literally no one else. So, how does that make sense as a business decision? Just because someone somewhere might buy something doesn't mean that it should be done. These cars are mass-produced. They aren't bespoke.
Again, it's fine that you guys don't like the looks of the 2015 because it looks too much like a sports car (whatever that means) and it's lost its raw edge (if by "raw edge" you mean outdated axle and suspension and middle ground interior), but for gods sake, you guys go on like a broken record. Day after day, thread after thread. You have nothing productive to say at all. It's always the same crap. "Blah blah blah Fustuaroeuroevoboostaccordastang." You're so clever with your punny nicknames. It's just boring.
If this is what ME has devolved into then I'm out.