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The Clone (white stripes coming soon).
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Looks really good, be sure to post some pics after the stripes are installed..
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So here's an interesting, and frustrating situation.

My exhausts are too loud to run at most of the road course venues in the northeast. If I had kept my stock mufflers it may not be a big deal as I could have modified them to fit the Borla pipes and switched them out when I needed to. But, alas...I got rid of them.

So, any suggestions on mufflers to quiet this beast down (it currently has Borla Ataks).

If anyone is up here in the northeast and wants to get rid of their stock 2015-2017 mustang GT mufflers...that would be a solution :flowers:
 

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The over-priviledged always seem to gravitate towards established race tracks, build their lousy mansions, and then proceed to complain about the loud cars roaring around all weekend long.

I think that your car would be a lot of fun participating in an event such as the Silver State Classic Challenge. It's almost as if you built the car for that race.
And there are no decibel meters to be found!
What about the 6000 mile round trip to Nevada, you ask? That's your problem buddy...

I always struggle with disposing of parts for vehicles which I still own.... Many times, they can come in handy in the future.
You should see the collection of stuff that I have saved for future use, Medwards! Some of it goes back four generations! :lol:
 

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I ran at Spring Mountain Motor Resort and Country Club (https://www.springmountainmotorsports.com/) with the Shelby crowd in Pahrump NV and there certainly were no decibel limits at that track! I ran my SuperSnake all day there and it had the exact same mufflers as the clone. And...I was no where near the loudest car on the track.

Eventually the clone is going to head to NV for a Shelby Days event (after I spend a year or so becoming at least somewhat proficient running it on a track).

I hear what you are saying about keeping things. I gave the darn mufflers to a kid who was modifying a crappy Mustang and I wanted to help him out. Turns out he no longer has the Mustang so it was a complete waste to give him the mufflers in the first place since he sold the car right after he put them on....and now I'm going to have to spend $400 buying new ones. So much for being a nice guy and helping someone out.
 

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So here's an interesting, and frustrating situation.

My exhausts are too loud to run at most of the road course venues in the northeast. If I had kept my stock mufflers it may not be a big deal as I could have modified them to fit the Borla pipes and switched them out when I needed to. But, alas...I got rid of them.

So, any suggestions on mufflers to quiet this beast down (it currently has Borla Ataks).

If anyone is up here in the northeast and wants to get rid of their stock 2015-2017 mustang GT mufflers...that would be a solution :flowers:
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Doesn't MA. have inspections ??
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I hear what you are saying about keeping things. I gave the darn mufflers to a kid who was modifying a crappy Mustang and I wanted to help him out. Turns out he no longer has the Mustang so it was a complete waste to give him the mufflers in the first place since he sold the car right after he put them on....and now I'm going to have to spend $400 buying new ones. So much for being a nice guy and helping someone out.

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No " good deed " goes unpunished !!
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Doesn't MA. have inspections ??
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New Hampshire....yes...but for emissions only. They do have something about not being "excessively loud", but short of outlawing straight pipes (which are outlawed), they don't have a decibel rating.
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2015 New Hampshire Revised Statutes
Title XXI - MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 266 - EQUIPMENT OF VEHICLES
Section 266:59 - Muffler; Prevention of Noise.
Universal Citation: NH Rev Stat § 266:59 (2015)

266:59 Muffler; Prevention of Noise. –
I. Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with a muffler as defined in RSA 259:66, in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person shall use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a way.
II. The engine and power mechanism of every motor vehicle shall be so equipped and adjusted as to prevent the escape of excessive fumes, smoke, flame, gas, oil or fuel residue.
III. [Repealed.]
IV. No person shall operate a motor vehicle with a straight pipe exhaust system; "straight pipe exhaust system'' means any straight- through exhaust system that does not contain baffles or otherwise does not meet the definition of muffler in RSA 259:66. Any person who violates the provisions of this paragraph shall be guilty of a violation and shall be fined not less than $100 for a first offense, not less than $250 for a second offense in a calendar year, and not less than $500 for a third or subsequent offense in a calendar year.
Source. 1913, 81:5. 1921, 119:11. PL 103:14. RL 119:23. RSA 263:46. 1961, 205:1. 1981, 146:1. 2004, 259:1. 2005, 266:1, eff. Aug. 21, 2005.
 

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And...the saga continues.

Stock AFR meter started showing the AFR modulating between 13.5 and 14.5 in certain conditions after a few hundred miles. Now it will fluctuate between 12.5 and 15.5 during cruise. So, after a series of calls with Kim Mapes we are going to replace the O2 sensors on the car (they are shipping them out to me). When the engine failed last time the bank one converter got a fair amount of oil. It was cleaned and deemed to function properly during testing. The O2 sensor was working during dyno tuning. Kim's thought is that the O2 had to have been damaged during that event and is now showing the signs of the damage.

I have decided to work with Ace Performance in Tewskbury MA ( https://www.aceperformancesystems.com/ ) to help design a high end monitoring system for the engine. I've asked about the following products to be used with the stock ECU (I don't want an aftermarket ECU because it will no longer be street legal in NH). They are going to work with Plex to see exactly what can be pulled off a stock ECU to run the Plex monitor. The Plex Knock Monitor will work and is a must. I don't want another melted piston....especially due to faulty sensors. Ace Performance will NOT be editing the current tune. The tune is Watson Racing's and will always remain that way. But...I want a professional group to install the new hardware and help me decide what is best for my car/situation.

It's time to spend a little to protect my $30k investment in this engine. I'd love to hear thoughts from the professional tuners on this board.

Lastly, I just completed a lot of online training from http://www.hpacademy.com . I did this simply to understand what in the world is going on in my very complicated car. I am certainly NOT going to try to modify the tune on this car. That could end up disastrous. I will say, the $400 I spent on the "Starter Package" online course was worth every penny. I at least now know the basics. I also have a new found level of respect for everything that goes into tuning a modern day car with all the electronics. And I have a clear understanding that I am no where near knowledgeable enough to change anything. If Kim ever wants something changed, I can likely do so with his tutelage. If he wants some datalogging done, I will likely be able to accomplish that.

I may screw around with the Mazda 6 that I rebuilt for my friend's son. That would be fun and since it's N/A, I could play with AFR and ignition timing and other things without too much worry about blowing it up..hahahaha.

Knock Monitor - Plex
https://www.plex-tuning.com/products/plex-knock-monitor/

Data Monitor and Logger - Plex
https://www.plex-tuning.com/products/sdm-700-dash-display-logger/

OBD Interface - HP Tuners
https://www.hptuners.com/mpvi2/

Scanner Software - HP Tuners
https://www.hptuners.com/vcm-scanner/

ECU Editing Software (ONLY IF KIM WANTS ME TO CHANGE THINGS!!!)
https://www.hptuners.com/vcm-editor/
 

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Before spending a lot of time and resources, possibly, chasing "ghosts".... I would begin the diagnosis process by installing the new 02 sensors as recommended, and then, either by data-logging, or on a chassis dyno, hire a reputable, experienced tuner to go over your current tune, and have them give you their opinion on the tune that you currently have. Not necessarily to change anything, just to get a second opinion. That's all.
 

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I agree....hence Ace Performance up near me.

However, I also want a permanently mounted datalogger with error handling so I will know what's going on at all times and the car will be able to be shut off if any catastrophic conditions show up. I've got a bunch of buddies that run dual supercharged engines in 30+ foot ocean boats (think Cigarette), and those high powered S/C engines have permanently mounted dataloggers with cutoff's for engine malfunctions.

I also spoke to a number of BMW-CCA members with dedicated circuit race cars....same thing installed. Hence...one is going into my car.
 

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And at long last....stripes...boy has this been a painfully slow process.

But, it sure looks like a Super Snake...and it sure is fast and corners like a monster.
 

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A lot of effort, time, & money,................& it came out great !!
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A lot of effort, time, & money,................& it came out great !!
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It is a ridiculously modified mustang that is for sure. And it's crazy capable. But, now that it's so pretty, I don't want to use it for what I intended :(
 

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It is a ridiculously modified mustang that is for sure. And it's crazy capable. But, now that it's so pretty, I don't want to use it for what I intended :(

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Build a clone, so you can save the real SS, have a " near " SS that you can beat on.
So now you need a clone " clone " ??
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The car looks great, and you should be proud of what you have accomplished! :thumb:

Now go enjoy the fruits of your hard labor.
There is no point in saving the car, and not using it fully for it's intended purpose. At the end of the day, it is still a Mustang, and in all likelihood, any subsequent owner will treat it as such.
 

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Just kidding....I'm going to drive the hell out of it.

Changed O2 sensors...gave it another break-in oil change, and am installing the SDM550 by Plex Tuning this weekend. First real run at the drags will be July 10th at NE Dragway.
 

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Cool article. Thanks for posting it.
I like how Mr Iacocca refers to "car guys" as "car men".... "He was a real car man". "A time when the auto industry was run by car men".

That is how I would describe Lee Iacocca, a real car man.
 
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