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Not trying to thread crap, but when you first started talking about buying the SS, etc... everyone was like why not just throw a SC on your mustang and a FRRP handling pack & call it a day. It would give you 90% of the bang for 90% less buck. And then you wouldn't mind driving your car as its just a $40k car + $10k in upgrades max. Oh well, this will be interesting to see.
Long reply coming :eek::

I bought the SS for two reasons...1) I didn't have the time to build it, 2) It's pretty cool owning a Shelby SS that is also a 50th Anniversary car (so I have to admit I do like showing it off and getting my ego stroked a bit...who wouldn't). I didn't (and still don't) have the time to build the car in any reasonable period of time. I bought the second car about 1.5 months ago and have only had the time to go to the drags twice. I haven't had anytime to do any mods. Yet, during that same time I've put 1500 miles on the Shelby including dragging it, going to a forum rally, and showing it at a car show. I did finally put the shift light in it and I'm buying a set of drag radials/tires. Second reason was the cool factor. I've been called out by a bunch of Hellcats and am going to drag it again in a little over a week. I am making a bunch of new acquaintances because of what the car is.

I expect the Clone will be finished some time by the end of the summer 2017. Hopefully, by the end of this summer I will have the gears, driveshaft/half shafts, wrinkle slicks, and shift light in the Clone. That will hopefully allow me to move the car towards 13 seconds (obviously the gears and tires are improving the time, and the rest supports that).

So, if I didn't have the Shelby I wouldn't be having anywhere near the fun I've had so far this summer and will have. Finally, that Clone is going to cost slightly over $60,000 when it's done. The SC alone is $9,500. IMHO installing just a SC and Ford Racing suspension package would have created problems for me (this is my opinion...not knocking people that have done what you suggested). I would have been breaking drivetrain parts, wouldn't be hooking up, could possibly have cooling issues, and may not have had enough fuel delivery. So, driveshafts, half shafts, rims/drag tires, cooling fans/radiator, and new fuel injectors would have to be part of the build. That's a lot of money, and there's a spreadsheet at the beginning of this post detailing those costs.

I realize what I'm doing is over the top. I likely won't own both of these cars in 10 years. One will have been sold. If the Shelby goes up in price, then it'll be sold (I do have the lowest Shelby CSM # 50 Anniversary numbered car and that may be worth a premium to the right buyer if they want that combination of SS and 50th anniversary car). If it doesn't go up then I'll realize it's not such a special car and then I'll sell the clone and drive the Shelby a lot more (probably take a bath but have had a lot of fun with it and made some awesome memories).
 

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You can't put a price on those memories or the smiles and laughs...

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I ran the car today after the rain stopped to check out the shift light. I LOVE IT. Very easy to program and very bright. A simple product that does exactly what it's supposed to do. 2 :thumb: up.
 

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Now.....if I can just find a place to put one I'd put one on mine also!
hahaha...that looks like a Cadillac ATS steering compartment...ummm...and an automatic right...hahahaha...no need for a light on that if you've got the right tune and converter :cool:. I saw one of those running at NE Dragway pulling low 12's. He took off pretty slow but damn did that thing build speed after about 300 feet. I saw the car later, it was supercharged. Not sure how he got it so it built speed so fast towards the middle of the run, but he was pretty quick for a big ole sedan!
 

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Discussion Starter #127 (Edited)
ooops...maybe I spoke too soon...is that a clutch pedal peeking out to the lower left of the steering wheel? Perhaps you could use a light ;-)
 

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It's kind of "Baby Vette", Mag-ride, independent suspension all around, Brembo's and very comfortable plus I can take 4 people with room to spare.
Fast............that's kind of an overstated word....with only 464HP it's quick although I don't consider it "fast".....It doesn't weigh any more than my 14 TrakPak.
It's a nice 4 door sedan.......with a 6spd.
 

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I realize what I'm doing is over the top. I likely won't own both of these cars in 10 years. One will have been sold. If the Shelby goes up in price, then it'll be sold (I do have the lowest Shelby CSM # 50 Anniversary numbered car and that may be worth a premium to the right buyer if they want that combination of SS and 50th anniversary car). If it doesn't go up then I'll realize it's not such a special car and then I'll sell the clone and drive the Shelby a lot more (probably take a bath but have had a lot of fun with it and made some awesome memories).
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Very few cars, other than the Ford GT, go up in value in the short term.
Cars like an S/S " may " go up if something about them is rare.
The fact that Shelby will mod cars for several years, makes it hard to have something rare. ( other than it's CSM # ) It will hold it's value better than most modded cars, but you're not likely to make money with it.
Just because it doesn't go up in value, doesn't mean it isn't special.
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It's been a while since putting up an update on the clone (been working a lot).

I'm heading to the drags tonight with the clone to see if I can beat it's best so far of 13.3sec.

The car is still all stock except I've been putting a few ground effect parts from Shelby on the car. But more importantly, I have the M/T drag radials on for tonight's excursion. I had traction issues with the Pirelli P Zero Nero tires when I took it to the drags before (those things are junk). So, I'm hoping the slicks will allow me to shave off at least 2/10's and maybe even 3/10's.

I think the next thing I will change is the driveshaft, half shafts and put in the 3.73 gears and then see what the results are.

At NE dragway they have a "list". I may see tonight what is in involved to join the list so I can start competing as I make changes.
 

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There's been mention of going to 3.73 gears for the clone.
After reading many posts on this forum, I was left with the opinion that with a boosted GT you are better off with 3.31 gears rather then 3.73. At least for the 1/4 mile.
So are the 3.73 gears preferred primarily for those short spurts as with curved tracks?
 

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Those SS wheels look really good.
Thanks..but...Those are actually CCW SP540 wheels. Shelby isn't yet selling the SS wheels separate from putting them on a SS. CCW makes the SS wheels for Weld. The SS wheels are actually derived from the CCW SP540 wheels so they are related and look a little similar. The SS wheels are actually more angular and a more menacing looking.
 

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There's been mention of going to 3.73 gears for the clone.
After reading many posts on this forum, I was left with the opinion that with a boosted GT you are better off with 3.31 gears rather then 3.73. At least for the 1/4 mile.
So are the 3.73 gears preferred primarily for those short spurts as with curved tracks?
Oh boy, I'm not sure I want to start into the "best" gears for different setups. There are so many opinions.

From my viewpoint, and that of the Shelby designers, the 3.73 gears are best for road race tracks. They offer the best combination of HP with shifting for that car/engine/tire setup. They are a little infuriating for drag racing in that first gear is used up quickly and if your tires aren't tall enough you are shifting into 5th before the end of the quarter. Additionally, with 825HP the 3.73's probably are a little to low of a gear unless you are going to create some traction grabbing monster, which the SS really isn't. It is primarily designed for road course racing and not launching at a drag race.

Now, with that said...I am putting up another post about the results of tonights drag racing with a stock S550...in that case I think the 3.73's are needed.
 

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My car ("the clone") is number 384.

I knocked off 2/10's of a second by putting the drag radials on the car just as I expected. I had one better time (13.131) but have no idea what I did with the slip.

There is a lot I learned tonight.

1. When you have great traction in tires, the traction control functions of the car cause all sorts of problems. You should leave traction control on to do the burnout, then shut it off. Otherwise you wind up with all sorts of strange stalling and stumbling of the car in the first 60 feet. The traction control thinks it's too smart and any slight slipping after having massive traction causes the car to shut off the fuel or spark resulting in the car stumbling badly just after launch. It appeared to not like any slight slippage in the tires even though within a fraction of a second they were grabbing fully. It behaved very oddly. Shutting it off corrected the issue immediately.

2. With good traction, the car does no better whether launched at high rpm or rolling into the throttle. This is probably because the 3.31 gears cause the rpm's to plunge once the clutch is engaged. I was launching the car at as high as 6000rpm and it didn't reduce my 60 foot times versus rolling into the throttle.

3. The half shafts appear to be stronger than people say. As I stated above I was launching the car at 6000rpm with MT drag radials and virtually no traction slippage and nothing broke (thank goodness). Now, I think if you start messing with the tune and increasing the HP then you are going to have problems. But as far as stock HP, this car took a ton of abuse tonight. I did over 30 runs and many where hot laps...one after another.

4. The stock air intake sucks...and sucks badly. There were times where my intake air temp was well over 115 degrees. Now it was a 90 degree day and I was doing a lot of runs, but that air intake is so restricted and draws from the engine bay....it sucks.

5. The 3.31 gears are not well suited for a car with 430hp and suspension setup of the stock S550. There is almost no weight transfer and the initial drop in rpm's is terrible in first gear when engaging the clutch. I would rev to 6000rpm and dump the clutch and the engine rpm's would plunge and it would take forever for rpm's to get up to 6000 to shift into second. Terrible....truly terrible. I am expecting the 3.73 gears to help me shave off a full 1/2 second based upon what I experienced and looking at my 60 foot times. I realize that is a lot. So we'll see as the next thing I'm going to do is change the rear gears and then run the car. I don't have 3.55's to try so I don't know if they would fix the rpm issue that exists with the 3.31's. I am certain the 3.73's are going to improve my 60 foot times immensely.

Sorry for the sideways pic....I seem to be prone to doing that and didn't have time to edit it in the image editor tonight.
 

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As far as the burn out traction control issue, did you use the built in electronic line lock in the car? Or did you try to do it the good old fashioned way?

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What did you set the air pressure @ on the rear tires ?
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As far as the burn out traction control issue, did you use the built in electronic line lock in the car? Or did you try to do it the good old fashioned way?
Traction control on, linelock on, light up the tires to heat them up, pull up to the lights, traction control off, then go.
 
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