Got them on ebay, I have to go do him some feedback, will post back with his name, they are the over lay type, don't have to take off your needles, I liked that feature, and they were really pretty cheap, only $15.95 plus shipping. The seller was S-Tune. Shipped by Priority mail and I had them in NC from CA in like 3 days! Had to find directions online though, they didn't come with any, no big deal!