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Ya it's pretty much pointless because if you add mods that require a tune your going to have to have it dynoed and whoever dynos your car will just use there tuner. Email tunes is where you need the tuner.
 

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Ya it's pretty much pointless because if you add mods that require a tune your going to have to have it dynoed and whoever dynos your car will just use there tuner. Email tunes is where you need the tuner.
Alright thanks man
 

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If you do get a handheld then you can request that they load a couple different tunes. My buddy has that for different pulley sizes on his GT500.
 

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If you have to dyno tuned for the existing mods and then add more mods without getting it retuned will that affect anything?
 

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If you have to dyno tuned for the existing mods and then add more mods without getting it retuned will that affect anything?
Ya the car won't run right. Could run too rich or too lean which could be bad.
 

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If you have to dyno tuned for the existing mods and then add more mods without getting it retuned will that affect anything?
Depends on the mods you get done. If it's mild bolt-ons the computer should be able to handle whatever mod you installed.a new tune would just optimize it.
 

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So if I were to get dyno tuned with cai or h and catback and then added tb/plenum would that be an issue
 

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Nope. A re-tune would help optimize it, but it's not necessary.
 

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I have three tunes, one for each of the 2½ seasons we have here (Hot, friggin' HOT and Nice)--we are currently in the middle of Nice. The tunes are loaded in an 8-tune "chip" from Delta Force Tuning, along with the stock tune and a couple of tunes for lower octane fuel (for when I go too far North). They can be switched on-the-fly.

Delta Force chip, switch & burner


The Nice tune produces the most power, it was when running this tune that I hit 262/305 rwHP/lb-ft. It has very aggressive ignition timing and optimal AFR of 12.8:1 to 13.2:1 at WOT.

The Hot tune dynoed at 256/300. The timing is pulled back a couple degrees to accommodate the warmer ambient air (80° to 90°).

The HOT tune produces 252/295 with another degree of timing pulled, and AFR at WOT of 12.5:1 to 13:1. Both to deal with ambient temps of 90° to 110°+

I run 93 octane fuel year round.

So to respond to the OP's question, if you are content to have just one tune that was optimised with the car tied down on a dynamometer and at whatever temperature it happened to be on the day it was tuned, then you do not need a tuner--OTH if you want to have multiple tunes for multiple situations then get a tuner.
 

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I have three tunes, one for each of the 2½ seasons we have here (Hot, friggin' HOT and Nice)--we are currently in the middle of Nice. The tunes are loaded in an 8-tune "chip" from Delta Force Tuning, along with the stock tune and a couple of tunes for lower octane fuel (for when I go too far North). They can be switched on-the-fly.

Delta Force chip, switch & burner

The Nice tune produces the most power, it was when running this tune that I hit 262/305 rwHP/lb-ft. It has very aggressive ignition timing and optimal AFR of 12.8:1 to 13.2:1 at WOT.

The Hot tune dynoed at 256/300. The timing is pulled back a couple degrees to accommodate the warmer ambient air (80° to 90°).

The HOT tune produces 252/295 with another degree of timing pulled, and AFR at WOT of 12.5:1 to 13:1. Both to deal with ambient temps of 90° to 110°+

I run 93 octane fuel year round.

So to respond to the OP's question, if you are content to have just one tune that was optimised with the car tied down on a dynamometer and at whatever temperature it happened to be on the day it was tuned, then you do not need a tuner--OTH if you want to have multiple tunes for multiple situations then get a tuner.
Well said.
 

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I have three tunes, one for each of the 2½ seasons we have here (Hot, friggin' HOT and Nice)--we are currently in the middle of Nice. The tunes are loaded in an 8-tune "chip" from Delta Force Tuning, along with the stock tune and a couple of tunes for lower octane fuel (for when I go too far North). They can be switched on-the-fly.

Delta Force chip, switch & burner

The Nice tune produces the most power, it was when running this tune that I hit 262/305 rwHP/lb-ft. It has very aggressive ignition timing and optimal AFR of 12.8:1 to 13.2:1 at WOT.

The Hot tune dynoed at 256/300. The timing is pulled back a couple degrees to accommodate the warmer ambient air (80° to 90°).

The HOT tune produces 252/295 with another degree of timing pulled, and AFR at WOT of 12.5:1 to 13:1. Both to deal with ambient temps of 90° to 110°+

I run 93 octane fuel year round.

So to respond to the OP's question, if you are content to have just one tune that was optimised with the car tied down on a dynamometer and at whatever temperature it happened to be on the day it was tuned, then you do not need a tuner--OTH if you want to have multiple tunes for multiple situations then get a tuner.
How much for all that stuff
 

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How much for all that stuff
The Delta Force Commando software, which includes the Special Forces software, flash programming interface, and one Commando template is $679 MSRP¹. Special Forces includes SF templates for all Ford's ''96 to '04, and two "bullets" which let you tune two cars simultaneously (more about SF here). Commando is their pro-level tuning software and comes with one template (others can be purchased). The Commando package includes everything need to create and edit tunes, and flash them to your PCM. The flash interface holds five tunes, and takes about three minutes to upload the tune to your PCM.

The chip and 8-position switch is $343 MSRP¹.

Programming the chip requires a chip burner that can be bought for $285 MSRP¹--or you can develop your tunes with Special Forces and Commando, send them to me or DF and we will burn them onto the chip and return it to you.

The tunes themselves cost nothing as I developed them myself...

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¹ - I can arrange significant discounts from MSRP.
 

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Sorry for bringing this back from a long time ago, but so really its about 1k for that stuff? for all of that i could have 8 different tunes for the car?
 
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