amazon doesn't make sure the manufacturer does there job. Same reason I hated working retail, it was the selling companies fault the product was bad, never the MFG, at least that is how most people treated it.Good point, but you would think that amazon would make sure the products they were shipping out where not defective. I don't know. Anyways, I've heard some pretty bad things about their mufflers, but good things about these midpipes. Think they were a bad buy?