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Well, of course the new Car and Driver has THE test on its cover.................Camaro 207 points, Mustang 205. Mustang 11 category wins, Camaro 12......................BUT the Camaro has an automatic trans, and the Mustang the manual. So, in all of the acceleration tests, the Camaro got to downshift significantly, while the Mustang is locked in 6th. This skewed the results a LOT when it comes to "acceleration in top gear!" as well as, perhaps the mpg ratings win for the SS...............
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I thought the article leaned too far in its attempt to paint the New Camaro as superior when at the same time the honest numbers showed very little performance difference. But then as test results they reported the top gear 30-50 time as 9.1 sec and 50-70 time as 8.6 sec for the manual transmission Mustang while the 8spd Auto Camaro ran 2.3 sec and 2.7 sec.

Mind you the gear ratio in top gear for both cars is .65 and the Camaro rear is 2.77 vs the 3.73 Mustang.


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I know how quickly and easily, with only a gear or two kickdown, our A6 Mustang accelerates from 50 to 90. The test results should have made more of the A6/Manual handicap for the Mustang.
I too thought that the Mustang did itself proud overall.
 

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Those test results don't make sense to me not that I really care anyway. 30-50 in 9 seconds???If it goes 0-60 in 4.4 seconds how could it take 9 seconds to go 30-50


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Those test results don't make sense to me not that I really care anyway. 30-50 in 9 seconds???If it goes 0-60 in 4.4 seconds how could it take 9 seconds to go 30-50


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I believe that is locked into its highest gear

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I believe that is locked into its highest gear

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Ok that would explain it but seems like a stupid test me. If I'm evaluating a car I'm going to optimize the cars functions (choose the right gear) to get the best time with whatever vehicle I'm driving.


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Stop winning GM is on top yet again. I have said it b4 all you "Bolton" coyotes are about to get your a$$ drug by GM again.

Going to need some real tunes for your coyotes now.

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Stop winning GM is on top yet again. I have said it b4 all you "Bolton" coyotes are about to get your a$$ drug by GM again.


🍼and 🌽 fed coyote.

I could care less I was just wondering what kind of test that was. My car is plenty fast I have enough. What's stock numbers anyway mean? Make a few changes spend a few bucks you change them. Either platform will work


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Ok that would explain it but seems like a stupid test me. If I'm evaluating a car I'm going to optimize the cars functions (choose the right gear) to get the best time with whatever vehicle I'm driving.
Flooring a manual transmission in 6th gear at 50 mph -- vs -- flooring an automatic 6 speed and then timing both to any speed is going to massively favor the automatic and its ability to kick down two or three gears.
It was kind of rediculous for them to test these two cars against each other for those speed tests, as well as the mpg test, which the Mustang might have won with the A6 in it.
Put the manual GT in 2nd or 3rd gear, and lets see how fast it gets from 50 to 70!
 

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Flooring a manual transmission in 6th gear at 50 mph -- vs -- flooring an automatic 6 speed and then timing both to any speed is going to massively favor the automatic and its ability to kick down two or three gears.

It was kind of rediculous for them to test these two cars against each other for those speed tests, as well as the mpg test, which the Mustang might have won with the A6 in it.

Well yes that seems to be what they have done and that's stupid. You would have to lock the automatic in 6th to have comparable results!


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I haven't seen the article but on the Mustang side, isn't the manual Mustang faster than the auto, stock for stock? It was in the S197.
 

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Correction, the car they had was only 57 lbs lighter. Plus they spec it at 455hp only 20 Hp advantage. Where the Camaro has the real advantage is in the use of the magnetorheological shocks that provides instant suspension tuning while in motion.


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Magnahecktawhat shocks? Is that really what they call them?


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Correction, the car they had was only 57 lbs lighter. Plus they spec it at 455hp only 20 Hp advantage. Where the Camaro has the real advantage is in the use of the magnetorheological shocks that provides instant suspension tuning while in motion.


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Torque ... you forgot that.

The 2016 Camaro makes more torque at the wheels, at just 1750 RPM (360 wtq) ... than the 2015+ Coyote makes at any RPM (358 peak).

Again .. this is stock for stock.
 

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It's also a 6.2 liter Motor vs 5.0...


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You are looking at 3 wtq per liter difference between the two cars. That is nothing.

The fact that the new GM LT1 makes more torque at just 1750 RPM and carries it (and more) from there to 6500 RPM is an absolutely impressive powerband.

If you want to go the per liter route, the mighty Mustang 5.0 makes less torque per liter than a 2.4L Honda Accord (174 wtq) ... at the tires.

See how silly your argument is?
 
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