Well, I have Flows. The longer you have them on your car, the louder and deeper they get. When I first got them (bout a year ago) I hated how they sound on the high end. Now they are beginning to gurgle (like an 8 ) in higher rpm's and REALLY mellow out on take off. There IS a ricey type sound, but it's more akin to the exhaust off a Cobra type R. It's deeper than rice, but would still be cons ricey. If you've ever heard the Cobra R (2000) then you know what I mean. I have NO H or Y pipe, either. Yes, I have tru dual cat backs, and it sounds AWESOME! If hermb22 and the other guys get a chance to come around my way, they can bring a recorder to record the sound. Maybe have a poll on how they sound, btw, I have had SEVERAL people tell me it sounds like a 5.0 on take off! Any stang lover knows it's not the exact same sound, but it sounds great all the same! :mrgreen: