[51690]

Fabman I would of lost it if shop did that to my car lol. I take it they made it right and car was ok and back on the road.

 

[Fabman]

Fabman I would of lost it if shop did that to my car lol. I take it they made it right and car was ok and back on the road.

Yes, but I don't shop there anymore.....I was absolutely livid.

 

[oxfordwhite]

I wonder if that tech still has a job there? And where does he work now, don't go there. This will probably follow him a while.

 

[Fabman]

I wonder if that tech still has a job there? And where does he work now, don't go there. This will probably follow him a while.

That place was bought out by another place....

 

[51690]

Everytime I think of that reminds me of that Shelby on youtube that smashes into a parked truck!


So I definitely should go with those longer ARP studs? Only problem if I go with those I will have to use open end lugs :/ But I guess if I ever plan on running slicks that would make them NHRA legal. I will go with the hub-centric Billet 25mm spacer from AM and the ARP Rear wheel studs. Thank you everyone for the input!

 

[32VALVR]

I would only ever use a small hub centric spacer and no more than 5mm on stock studs. If you did ARP studs you could use a little more

I know my ride is a decade old but, when I went with hub centric 1/2" hub centric spacers it threw my rear traction heavily to negative camber, making me look all that better but slowing my times.
I agree with noldevin, 5mm hub centric spacers are as far as you want to go unless looks are your only goal.

 

[Fabman]

I know my ride is a decade old but, when I went with hub centric 1/2" hub centric spacers it threw my rear traction heavily to negative camber, making me look all that better but slowing my times.
I agree with noldevin, 5mm hub centric spacers are as far as you want to go unless looks are your only goal.

Spacers have no affect on camber.

 

[Fabman]

Lots good info thank you. Fabman those billet ones are the ones I was considering. So I do plan on getting wheel and tire package but that want be for a year or so. Meanwhile I think I give it a try, I don't road race or anything like that but do plan on hitting the drag strip but again that won't be till next year. I figure $70 for spacers and if need be I can purchase arp extended studs for 139.

35mm is 1 3/8" so I would use the kind like The black ones pictured above.
Hub centric would be ideal. Don't worry about getting longer studs, you won't need them with that setup, they are stronger than the wheel and the axel both as demonstrated in the crash picture above.

 

[noldevin]

Spacers have no affect on camber.

Technically in front they can increase camber slightly due to leverage. In the rear nothing will gain you camber because lolsolidrearaxle

 

[Fabman]

Technically in front they can increase camber slightly due to leverage. In the rear nothing will gain you camber because lolsolidrearaxle

There is not enough leverage in a one inch spacer to make one iota of a difference in camber.

 

[32VALVR]

There is not enough leverage in a one inch spacer to make one iota of a difference in camber.

Then maybe you can explain why the inside of my tires were wearing much more then the outsides.

 

[Fabman]

Then maybe you can explain why the inside of my tires were wearing much more then the outsides.

I can not examine your car from here but I can tell you with 100% accuracy that a one inch spacer will not affect camber. Think about it.

 

[noldevin]

A one inch spacer is actually quite large, you are increasing the camber for sure. By how much? Couldn't tell you, but an inch spacer is definitely enough to affect your alignment. With a wider wheel that has correct offset, the bigger tire counteracts this effect

 

[Fabman]

A one inch spacer is actually quite large, you are increasing the camber for sure. By how much? Couldn't tell you, but an inch spacer is definitely enough to affect your alignment. With a wider wheel that has correct offset, the bigger tire counteracts this effect

By zero...you are not thinking this through.

 

[noldevin]

By zero...you are not thinking this through.

Do you not know how a lever works? Because your front suspension is basically a lever. You are increasing the length of the lever without increasing the force resisting the lever (your spring rate)

 

[Fabman]

Do you not know how a lever works? Because your front suspension is basically a lever. You are increasing the length of the lever without increasing the force resisting the lever (your spring rate)

Here's what I want you to do:
Explain in detail exactly what causes what to move and how much and how EXACTLY that affects camber. Think about this...what is moving and what else has to move how far to have a measurable difference. Don't assume, don't generalize and don't cop an attitude, just think about this. Walk through everything that would have to happen step by step.

 

[Fabman]

Here, I'll make it easy on you...look at the image below and tell me what part is moving to change the camber when you add a 1" spacer:

 

[noldevin]

I couldn't find any good diagrams to illustrate my thinking on the camber, and i don't really care enough to try to prove it so oh well...
However, there is another effect that can cause increased inner tire wear... scrub radius change. This diagram sums it up nicely. Changing the scrub radius can also significantly change handling feel so keep that in mind as well.

Yes i know the picture is showing different tire sizes but the spacer will move the tire center out just the same

 

[Fabman]

I couldn't find any good diagrams to illustrate my thinking on the camber, and i don't really care enough to try to prove it so oh well...
However, there is another effect that can cause increased inner tire wear... scrub radius change. This diagram sums it up nicely. Changing the scrub radius can also significantly change handling feel so keep that in mind as well.
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Yes i know the picture is showing different tire sizes but the spacer will move the tire center out just the same

Scrub radius is a different story. We are discussing camber. Look at the pic I posted above and identify the part that is moving to affect camber.

 

[noldevin]

Scrub radius is a different story. We are discussing camber. Look at the pic I posted above and identify the part that is moving to affect camber.

According to that picture i can't see a way for it to happen. Perhaps i was thinking of a double arm setup. Either way, someone was asking about wear due to a spacer. Scrub radius change is a potential answer and also my main reason for advising against larger spacers up front