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Well day 3 and so far so good on the Ultrawide... no idea what the hell caused those lines. Moisture in there from the move or something that cleared out? Went from green line to blue line to no lines and stayed that way. Ordered my kid that 27" curved 1080p Sceptre monitor and she is really excited about it. PPI a little low but she'll be fine, she's turning 9...
 

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I've had Windows 10 for a year without problems on a Hp 15 laptop @ 1.6 Ghz w/ 4 gigs of ram. I want to build another PC as I have a good case for the build. 10 has impressed me on the laptop so far. Is 10 working with SCT tuners yet? I have an SCT 3 but I don't think it will work with the S550 platform cars.
 

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My sct3 works with Windows just fine, I would assume all the newer stuff would have to. Also the Lund nGauge.

Right now GPU prices are nuts tho... Like massive overpriced...

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Sorry it took so long to get back to this, life decided to get crazy on me.

Glad to see the ultrawide fixed itself. Not sure what could cause that unless it was moisture or something strange.

That monitor looks like a good deal for a 9 year old. I'm sure she will be happy to have it. Make sure to use a displayport cable and crank the refresh rate and enable freesync.

As for building a new system ... scotty is right. GPU and DDR4 prices are still insane. If you are a gamer, I would advise holding off for the next few months as AMD is releasing Ryzen 2 soon and will likely shake things up on the CPU front.

Also, I didn't have issues using my SCT X4 with Windows 10.
 

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Yeah very intersted in Ryzen 2. And you mentioned that the motherboards and RAM we have now should work fine on the new chips? Because I just got this Taichi and got a screaming good deal on BF on the G Skill FlareX 3200mhz RAM that actually does clock to 3200 unlike a lot of them.

Any rumors of what exactly is going to be better about 2 vs the current chips? I'm still breaking in this 1600 lol.
 

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All you need to do is update the bios when Ryzen 2 launches and you are good to go.

The difference between the two is basically faster memory support (2933 official, so likely 3200 - 3600 unofficial), higher clock speeds (supposedly some models can do around 4.4Ghz out of the box) and around a 5-15% increase in IPC depending on the task.

In extreme cases, I wouldn't be surprised to see 30% gains over current models in some tasks. I would say overall, gains will be around 10% vs 1st gen Ryzen with comparable models.

If these can OC to around 4.6+ Ghz, they will be nasty.
 

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That's what I want to see. I am clocked RAM wise at 3200 right now so I'm good there. If gains are minimal then meh. If they are significant I'll probably get a middle of the road mobo and swap the 1600 to my kid's PC and then get a new chip for me. But... like I said I'm still breaking in the 1600.
 

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As to SCT tuners I wish SCT would sent out a software upgrade for SCT 3 so I didn't have to buy a new SCT 4 tuner for my 16 GT. I am dying for a "Micro Center" near me. After moving from Houston I must use the internet and Newegg for most PC parts.
 

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SCT3 doesn't work for the newer cars? Works great for the older ones lol... stupid cheap to pick one up now and it loads tunes as well as the 4 does...
 

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After S-197 platform the S 550 has "push button" start and the SCT 3 tuners don't work with the platform is my understanding. I keep researching and searching to no avail.
 

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Finally got my daughter's build together since we've moved. Had to wait to get her a loft bed with a built in desk because of these smaller rooms in Spain. Worked out very well. Lot of my old components.

-FX8350 clocked to 4.6 on air
-R9 290 water cooled cranked up as high as it'll go on stock voltage
-M5A99FX Pro 2.0 motherboard
-Challenger S case
-120gb SSD for OS/apps, 480SSD for games, 2x2TB HDD in a Raid0 for media
-16GB ram
-TX650w Corsair PSU
-27" Sceptre curved 1080p monitor
-21" random Acer 1080p monitor I had lying around
-Sidewinder keyboard, G Skill MX780 gaming mouse
-XB 360 controller

Thing hauls *** for what she does which is modded Minecraft, OG Starcraft, Overwatch, Fortnite and Sims plus a few other games. Max settings on 1080p without even trying. I know the FX processors are very long in the tooth but can't argue with the results and FPS she is getting...


edit: not my finest work as far as interior/exterior cable management but it gets it done. Zip tied the GPU from metal bracket to metal bracket to keep it from sagging. Thinking of adding a 2nd fan to the radiator on the GPU but doesn't seem like it needs it.
 

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I think I have enough monitors... Ultrawide is freestanding, nowhere near enough room for the 2 on the side without arm mounts and even if the desk was wide enough I'd still have to use the mounts to position them where I wanted. Works out really well... Have a few extra holes in my desk because I didn't drill in the right spot the first time... oh well... can't see them and I ordered 5/16" plastic plugs anyway so they will be a non issue. I have to say... I really missed having 3 monitors. The screen split on the ultrawide works ok but I don't see myself ever having a single monitor again.
 

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Ultrawide been working fine 0 issues since the lines went away. No idea, maybe some moisture got in there when it was shipped or something?


Anyway, been working great. Able to overclock at 3.8ghz as low as 1.3V but its right on the edge so bumped it to 1.325 and it'll run 10 passes on IBT at Very High 0 issues and super cool. That big Cryorig cooler isn't even trying, the fans barely increase in RPM at all lol.


Only issue is that even at 1.42 volts I can't get it stable at 4.0ghz. It'll post and work just fine for regular stuff but it'll freeze in IBT. I have not tried 3.9ghz yet, I might give that a shot. At this point I think I'll be happy with a lower voltage 3.8ghz. Not sure what I'd gain from 200mhz except just to say I did it. I'm sure if I really cranked the volts to 1.45 or something it'd do it but... I'd like this to last awhile. Even at stock 3.2ghz speeds games look ridiculously good. Finally started a Doom playthrough even tho it came out 2 years ago... looks great. I keep hearing how good FarCry5 is, might give that a shot.
 

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I really like the Ryzen CPU's. AMD has done an excellent job with them. If they could just get their clock speeds higher, Ryzen could crush Intel.

That said, Ryzen runs super chill compared to the Intel chips. Try overclocking 800 - 1000 Mhz on Intel and you need water cooling. Attempt the same on Ryzen and any decent aftermarket air cooler won't break a sweat. Really impressed so far.

That said, yesterday I just finished a build for a photographer and it was a Ryzen 2700X, G.Skill 32GB DDR4 3600 @ 3400 Mhz with amazingly tight timings (14-14-14), Asus TUF X470, Noctua D15 cooler, a Samsung 960 Evo 500 GB NVMe OS/App drive, dual Crucial MX500 1TB in Raid 0 (scratch drive and storage), 6TB HGST HDD for backups and archiving (also has a NAS that is set for automatic backup), and a carry over GTX 1060 6GB GPU all in an Fractal Define R6 with most of the sound deadening installed.

While not a gaming machine because of the GPU, it crushes productivity programs and multi tasks like a beast. Under extreme load with the stock cooler, the temps were getting a bit high (85c+) to the point where throttling started to happen. I swapped out the stock cooler, which btw is very nice for a stock cooler (RGBling) and went with the only AM4 supported air cooler I had in stock, a Noctua D15. That dropped temps down to the mid 50's under extended load testing and was near silent. It is a behemoth of a cooler, I had been so used to playing around with water cooling that I forgotten how monstrous that thing is.

Also, that thing runs 4.35 Ghz in some less multi-threaded programs all by itself and drops under 4.0 Ghz once the thing started getting hot on the stock cooler. On the Noctua, it maintains 4.35 - 4.0 Ghz nearly all the time. That XFR crap finally works pretty well. I didn't mess with overclocking it or anything as it's sole purpose in life is to work and make it's owner money. Like I mentioned, I tweaked the memory timings a little and woke it up. Going from the 17-18-18 to the 14-14-14 added around a 5-10% jump in performance depending on the application.

I did run cinebench and it scored quite well. 185 single threaded and 1854 multi-threaded after the memory tweaks. I think the motherboard had something enabled where it would force a certain minimum turbo frequency. I never dug much into it as it was stable as a rock.

The worst thing is, I think this specific CPU is a great one. I would have loved to have kept it and tweaked it. From what it was running at with the voltages and temps, it seems to be one of the better ones out there. I have seen posts of people hitting 4.4 Ghz on extreme water setups and if those speeds become more common, these could go down as one of the best performance per dollar CPUs in history.

That is my rant for Ryzen 2.


I know people that have ran their Ryzen since launch at 1.45v and not had any issues. It's not so much the voltage that kills/degrades, it's the temps. If you can maintain decent temps on high voltage, your CPU will last. If you have high voltage and high temps, your CPU will degrade and fail over time.

Ryzen 1 seems hit 3.8 - 4.0 Ghz. Some can manage 4.1+ but those are rare. If you can boot into Windows at 4.0 Ghz but is unstable, drop it down to 3.9 and maybe add a hair of voltage or tighten up the LLC (load line calibration). Then run Asus Realbench for a few hours, if stable then you are likely good to go. IBT and others are starting to hammer on the CPU's pretty hard, it seems that more threads your CPU has, the more likely it will fail on IBT.

I wasn't a fan of Doom 2016 until about a 1/4 the way through it. For some reason it just felt like CoD. I think it was the movement speed or something. Ended up being a good game, didn't care for the multiplayer much. Far Cry 5 is good. If you liked 3 or 4, then it's essentially that but with more polish. The coop has been a blast.

Sorry I haven't been on here much lately. I've was busy with things.....




I hated it. It's like meeting your childhood hero, only to find out that person is a total D Bagger. It's been a long time since I had driven a Gen 2. Got into this one (99 ACR) and couldn't adjust the seat enough that my head wasn't pressed against the roof liner (I'm 6'3.5 without shoes last week at the doctors office), my feet barely fit and I was constantly two peddling it (stoopid size 15 shoes or dumb pedals that are all offset to the left and only have an inch between each of the pedals), I literally can't place my foot on the gas pedal without it being rotated as to not hit the brake pedal. Can't say how many times I've went for the clutch and hit the brakes or the gas. Also took me about 1 minute to get into the car and about 3 minutes to get out.

Car is fun and also kinda slow (just ... not fast) but sadly ... not for me. What I find amusing about the whole thing ... is that and I can't believe I even thought of this .... but ......... my old af Z28 is a better overall car. It's more usable (expected), faster in a straight line but not by much (heads/cam LS1), better MPG, I can easily fit, parts aren't crazy expensive, nobody cares/doesn't grab attention, it sounds better (subjective but cammed LSx wins), doesn't set itself on fire because of side pipes, has a nicer interior (that doesn't resemble an H1 Humvee), has better brakes (not stock) and just feels overall more refined.

My time with the Viper was like one of those 2-3 week relationships in high school/college. The one where the girl is built like a porn star ... but then afterwords ... it's just like ... meh.

I can now remove the 96 - 02 Viper GTS from my "want to own cars" list.
 

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Lol damn that is sick... but yeah I hear you on how it must feel although I'm a little smaller so I might fit better... I'd love to own a 99... But if I wind up back in the states in a few years its 100% going to be the cleanest 11/12 automatic Coyote I can find bone stock and then go from there. Why not just go with a 2018GT tho? They're kinda idiotic fast.


As for the PC, I was thinking that it might be IBT itself that is the issue although it is rock solid stable 58C at the highest temperature at 3.8ghz for 20 passes on Very High. That is with the huge Cryorig R1. Ram is the G Skill FlareX at 3200 with the 14-14-14 timings as well. NVME 128 Samsung EVO for OS/main programs and two 480GB SSDs in a RAID 0 for games with the dual Furies. I'm getting ridonculous performance with Doom at completely maxxed out settings at 3440x1440, its nuts. I still need to look into flashing these things to the FuryX and then trying to get what little overclock you can get with the HBM on them.


A far as this chip, I can hit 3.8ghz at 1.3V with LLC at the last setting before disabling it (2) so I'll turn it to 1 and kick the vcore back up to 1.375 and go from there in Realbench. I got it to boot and bang around in Chrome and play music at 4.2ghz tho... so maybe on Realbench it'll be more stable? Here's hoping. Thing overclocked right up to 3.8 without even trying tho, I was shocked.


You think it would be beneficial this fall on BF to upgrade to Ryzen 2 if I can get this thing stable at 4.0-4.2? I don't think I'd need to upgrade anything else except I might see if GPU prices drop at all and get one big single card and sell the Furies. I know the 1080s are getting close to what they were... guy at work just got one for $650 new. But I have a Freesync monitor so probably would want to look at Vega? I dunno.

Thanks, as always, for all the advice I really appreciate it. Gotta stay up all day after working all night to take care of some stuff this morning/afternoon but gonna get a few hours in on it here in a bit. I need to start buying some newer games too now to take full advantage of having a "higher end' processor for the first time in awhile... I heard the new Mordor kinda sucks with the mircotransactions and such. If you have any suggestions for "must play" games that are newer I'm all ears. I play pretty much anything... just not too into Fortnite or Pub... Which it seems all the kids are playing these days lol.
 

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The 2018 Mustang with the ubertrans are pretty quick. I just still can't get into the coyote engines along with the looks of the S550. They are ugly and the engines just feel weak, regardless of how fast they are. I think it's because of how they build power or something. If I get a V8, I want that immediate push you into the seat torque and none of the coyotes I have been in have done that. They all kinda remind me of a Honda, obviously faster but enough low end to move the car, decent mid range and then sorta vtech kicks in yo. That linear power delivery up until the last few thousand RPM when it comes alive. I don't know, I think I've ruined myself for cars when I make the claim that a 99 Fbody is a better car than a Viper... wtf is wrong with me.

One thing you should know about Doom .. if you don't already. It only uses 1 card. I know when I had my Fury X, it ran Doom under Vulkan amazingly well. Nearly as good as a GTX 1080. If you like Doom, check out the new Wolfenstein games, they are good.

The biggest thing I have noticed with messing with Ryzen is that there is a ton of vrdroop when under load. If you are unfamiliar, it's when the voltage drops because of the sudden increase in load and then crashes. Kinda like an engine going lean under load.

As for swapping to Ryzen 2, it's too early to tell. I would say if 4.4 Ghz+ becomes the norm for these under good cooling, then it might be worth jumping into if you feel like going custom water, especially jumping to an 8 core.

Besides the clock speed bump, the higher memory support certainly helps. I have seen benchmarks of people running DDR4 4000 @ 14-14-14-28, which is damned impressive. Also seen benchmarks of people hitting 4.55 Ghz @ 1.512v on giant custom water loops and the scores it was posted were impressive. Ryzen seems like it doesn't stop scaling. As you know, FX started showing diminishing returns after 4.8-4.9 Ghz. Ryzen seems to just keep on chugging along. Very impressive actually.

I would say that the biggest gain you could expect would be replacing the furies with either vega or a 1080 or 1080ti. My Fury X failed (HBM memory corruption) and I sent it back to XFX and they replaced it with a Vega 56, no questions asked and that is what I am currently using. It seems to run pretty well. Faster than a 1070, not as fast as a 1080. It seems to hold 1550 Mhz out of the box. Bump up the power limit, turn up the fan and it runs 1590 Mhz without actually overclocking it. It's still on the stock reference cooler so I haven't messed with it much. I've thought about buying a waterblock for it and really going for 1750+ on the core.

As for games, I haven't played the new Mordor game but I do know that they have stopped with the micro-transactions recently. So might be worth picking up if it goes on sale.

Just looking through my recently played games on Steam and they are Homefront: The Revolution which I was just playing in coop with a few friends. Same with Far Cry 5 and Ghost Recon Wildlands. Also been playing Assetto Corsa in VR (Vive with my G27, 900 degrees rotation wheel, 3 pedals and a 6 spd) and it's glorious. That's about it for me. Been too busy working on my toys to get much game time in.
 

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Yeah I have the Wolfenstein games, I just need to play the 2nd one. And yeah I figured Doom was only running on 1 card but it does great. Gotta love Vulkan... I'll probably look to replace the Furies with Vega if the prices come down at all, any specific recommendations on which one? I know I could probably sell each of these Furies for a pretty good price. Or re-use them in my kid/wife's computers and sell the 290s. Just want to stick with AMD because Freesync monitor and going forward G-Sync monitors are more expensive anyway.


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Hmmm. Gigabyte Vega64 is $699 after $100 rebate card... I bet I could sell my 2 Furies for damn near that price... Hmmm.... But... I don't exactly need to and games with xfire support I'm thinking my 2 Furies would outperform it right?

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Vega 56/64 would outperform your Furies in everything that doesn't scale fairly well in xfire.

The main difference is that the Fury cards are starting to struggle with newer games and the high res textures. It seems that around 5.5-6 GB of textures is where the insane bandwidth of gen 1 HBM runs out. That is one thing to consider.

Also, I think card prices will drop soon back to near normal levels. It might be a good time to sell the Fury cards and upgrade to Vega or .... hold of for Vega 2 which should be out sometime this year.

Vega 2 will essentially be a similar refresh as Ryzen 2 was over Ryzen 1. Likely slightly more power savings, higher clock speeds and basically just more refinement.
 

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Ill probably hold off for BF sales then. Might just do a Ryzen 2/Vega 2 upgrade all at once and sell the Furies. Or sell the 290s and put 1 Fury each in the wife and kid's PC.
 
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