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sinister07 said:
Thanks for the post- it explains the theory that I have been trying to explain for years, especially to the 4X4 crowd. They believe the more you choke off the engine, the more low end torque you make. A gander at the Bronco forums will show that the hot set-up is long tube, small diameter headers, Y-pipe, 2" tubes and a single exhaust!
My '70 Bronco has a set of Hooker Headers, 2 1/2" head pipes, 40-series Flowmasters, and side exits. It makes enough low end to smoke all 4 33" BFG Mud Terrains until they explode. Power is power, no matter if it is in a 4X4 or a race car.
I will admit that I know next to nothing about the 4x4 crowd!.. Lol. But I do know that when it comes to exhaust and performance!.. That you have to find that delicate balance between, your engines hp output, what RPM's it's running, and overall pipe diameter!.. I do know that for a street driven car/truck, performance wise 2.5 inches is about the largest you will need!.. 3 inches, depending on your total output, is the next step!.. Anything bigger is just stupid on a street car/truck!... As far as chocking, let that puppy breath!!!.... Lol.

Maybe your buddies at the 4x4 crowd need to watch that show on Speed channel called Trucks!!... Most of his exhaust set ups on his builds are like yours!.. Even for the off roaring builds!... Lol
 
I've been wondering if you could use some type of forced air system on your exhaust. You'd need a fresh air intake, probably near the headers, which would draw air in and force it thru the exhaust system. The exhaust gas would be drawn in as it exits the cylinders and pushed thru at an increased velocity. Kind of like falling into a river. This way you could increase the piping diameter while maintaining velocity. Now I'm not talking pressurized or anything. Simply forcing ambient air along the exhaust system. Has this ever been tried?
Just something I've been wondering about for a while.
 
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I've been wondering if you could use some type of forced air system on your exhaust. You'd need a fresh air intake, probably near the headers, which would draw air in and force it thru the exhaust system. The exhaust gas would be drawn in as it exits the cylinders and pushed thru at an increased velocity. Kind of like falling into a river. This way you could increase the piping diameter while maintaining velocity. Now I'm not talking pressurized or anything. Simply forcing ambient air along the exhaust system. Has this ever been tried?
Just something I've been wondering about for a while.

Don't see how this will help your engine flow anymore exhaust!.. All your doing is just blow air into your exhaust pipe with the exhaust gases and exhaust pulses!..
 
I've been wondering if you could use some type of forced air system on your exhaust. You'd need a fresh air intake, probably near the headers, which would draw air in and force it thru the exhaust system. The exhaust gas would be drawn in as it exits the cylinders and pushed thru at an increased velocity. Kind of like falling into a river. This way you could increase the piping diameter while maintaining velocity. Now I'm not talking pressurized or anything. Simply forcing ambient air along the exhaust system. Has this ever been tried?
Just something I've been wondering about for a while.
What you are describing is similar to how a jet engine "afterburner" functions.
It would be very difficult to get ambient air to match, or exceed, the exhaust velocity using only the car moving through the air as propulsion. Anything that you could come up with would undoubtedly create more drag(wind resistance) than any additional power that the engine would make, or could overcome.
And it is more efficient to try to force the air down the intake of the engine rather than, basically, trying to suck the air out of the engine, as we've seen with the multitude of hood scoop and cold air intake designs over the years.
 
I guess I should have been a little more thorough. I was thinking of some sort of mechanism that sits downstream from were the fresh air and exhaust gas combine, that forces the air thru the exhaust system at high velocity, like an inline fan or something similar.

So the exhaust gas would enter and by propelled along with the current of fresh air that is already blowing thru the pipe. To quote my earlier post "like falling into a river" lol.
 
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Your still doing nothing more than just blowing more air through the pipe!.. Not really doing anything to help with the scavenging effects!..
 
Lol
I think that MisterB is talking about moving air in a greater volume and higher speed than the exhaust to create a vacuum that helps pull the exhaust from the cylinders.
It's really a simple matter of hooking up a vacuum cleaner to the exhaust pipe. It's going to have to be a very powerful vacuum cleaner though, if we expect it to do any good at anything above a thousand rpm's or so...
It's going to take a LOT of energy to run a powerful vacuum cleaner like that. More of the engines power is going to be used to run the vacuum cleaner than could ever be gained from sucking the exhaust out with a vacuum.

That's the problem...:)
 
With a system like that, you'd also have to take into account that you'd be bringing cold air into an otherwise closed system, cooling and compressing the exhaust gases. Cold air takes up less space, and you'd effectively be slowing down the exhaust by introducing ambient air.
Not to mention, when this fan fails to keep up with exhaust flow, as it will beyond 1000 rpm unless you have some ridiculous fan in there, the exhaust from the engine will just pop out your exhaust intake ports instead of being routed through the exhaust system. This means that while the exhaust gas velocity will be raised, it will have a very short path, and have no way to generate a negative pressure behind it, since it will be immediately ported to open air.
(I'll admit it, I registered here just to make this comment.)
 
Just a note on the Write up, 14.2 is now stochiometric on 2011+ Ford mustangs as calibrated. This is due to E10 at the pumps being stoich at 14.2 instead of the 14.7 that E0 is. If you don't take this into consideration on data loggers like Torque you will have wrong numbers on AFR OBDII readings.
 
Having an exhaust pipe too fat is like having a stream pumping water into a lake. Its hitting too much stagnant medium and will be slowed down.


Having the right sized exhaust is like having a stream of water pumping into an equally sized and downhill flowing stream. It is going to get pulled into the flow and evacuate quickly.


Having too small of an exhaust is like cramming 20 pounds of sh!t into a 10 pound sack.
 
Hello and REALLY interesting notes about back pressure! Here my problem i changed my all exhaust Long tube off road and roush ! ( sound amazing for a Mustang 2012 V6 )I have a CAI and bama tune 93. Ok my point is a lost power and back pressure of course. what you suggest for re-gain back pressure?
Thank you always
 
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Hello and REALLY interesting notes about back pressure! Here my problem i changed my all exhaust Long tube off road and roush ! ( sound amazing for a Mustang 2012 V6 )I have a CAI and bama tune 93. Ok my point is a lost power and back pressure of course. what you suggest for re-gain back pressure?

Thank you always

Why do you want to gain back pressure?....


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Hello and REALLY interesting notes about back pressure! Here my problem i changed my all exhaust Long tube off road and roush ! ( sound amazing for a Mustang 2012 V6 )I have a CAI and bama tune 93. Ok my point is a lost power and back pressure of course. what you suggest for re-gain back pressure?
Thank you always
I think we first need to know where you lost power. As I always told folks when I had my 3.7 V6, you need to add Torque to the low end on these motors for the street, not top RPM. Did you lose low end power? Or are you sayin you lost power at the top end instead of gained it at high RPM that these mods were designed to do? The mods you list will reduce low end torque, and increase top end HPR just a few points. And also give a nice sound as well.

Whats your goal, street torque or strip top end speed? Auto or Manual?

Art
 
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